"Ground Zero" Mosque. Should they or shouldn't they?
 

Is Obama right to allow "freedom" to surpass emotional reactions, considering the fresh history of the site?

Is the risk of backlash, outrage, and potential violence on the structure and users worth it?

Does anybody outside of the US really give a shit?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-10973459

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I can imagine that it will upset a fair number of people.

There's so much bloody arguing about shit nowadys that I actually don't care a whole bunch. Who do you believe re the 911 thing anyway. Is someone doing this just to stir up more hatred towards Muslims???

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Not to allow a mosque near the site implies that all muslims were responsible for the attacks but that's the way some people think and they will be upset. The location may well have been chosen to provoke.

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Surely there are plenty of other places to build a mosque, so I have to think why in that place specifically, where it's bound to upset a lot of people, regardless of whether it's legally allowed or not.

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Maybe they feel the Al quieda will be less inclined to attack the new World Trade Centre if they risk blowing up one of their own mosques!!!! ;)

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Just because the alleged 9/11 terrorists were Muslim does not make all Muslims terrorists.

Who is to say what is right or wrong? I've never lived in New York, wasn't there when the Towers collapsed. I don't have politicians or talk show hosts indoctrinating me that America is good and everyone else is bad, or one side telling me that Obama is the second coming of Christ whilst the other side tells me he's the devil.

Politics and religion are inseperable in the US. When was the last time anyone ever saw a politician say he is an athiest? You won't, the say as I doubt you'll ever see many Muslim politicians in Congress or the Senate. In 2005-2006, this was the religious composition of the US Congress. There's not listing for athiesm or agnostic, but there is an 'unspecified' listing (spares both the politician and the religious organisation conducting the survey from awkward answers).

In God We Trust is the US national motto.

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The site in question is, apparently, already being used as a temporary mosque. I don't think that it should be banned, that opens the floodgates, where does it end?

I do, however, think that those seeking to build the mosque in that particular space have reached new heights of insensitivity. How would it be received if someone built a mega church with a McDonalds inside over the ruins of some controversially demolished building in Kabul?

Perhaps if there was more acceptance of others and a general "keep your nose out of others' business" then we may not be in this position.

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I completely agree with this.

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I was listening to the CBC the other day and they had someone on from the Canadian Muslim Congress or something. ANyway, they believe it is a deliberate provocation and that it is being funded by Saudi money, as apparently the leaders are being rather vague about where the funding is coming from. There seems a lack of transparency about it all. THe spokeswoman said she doesn't think many non-muslim supporters understand the battle that is going on right now within Islam, and the muslim community in north america with extremists vs moderates.

She also felt if it were truly dedicated to interfaith dialogue (apparently this is stated as one of the aims of the building?) that would have prayer rooms for other religions, and they don't.

As for why it's got anything to do with canadian muslims - they felt as north american muslims, it reflects badly on them as well.

I thought it was an interesting POV. And yeah, she made the point about building a church in Afghanistan too and how provocative that act would be.

And then of course they had the person who said all the hoo-ha was just islamophobia and blah blah blah.

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I doubt there is anything the US Government/NYC can do if the building of this mosque goes forward. The US is supposedly the bastion of freedom, particularly as it relates to religion. I suspect the financing is coming mainly from the Middle East and probably Saudi Arabia. Fundamentalist Moslems do not care one whit about the insensitivity factor, in fact the more they can piss off the USA (The West) the better they like it.
When all is said and done it is merely a "church", albeit somewhat different from Christian,and Jewish and other ones. Plots and conspiracies have always gone on behind the doors of religious sanctuaries.

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Personally, I couldn't give a monkey's toss what happens in the US, I just wish Canadians could get a bit more self belief and take their collective tongues out of America’s backside.

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I agree.

And I don't care about the mosque either.

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In what ways are Canadians' collective tongues in the backside of America? What is it we say and do that makes you state that?

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I'll take a stab ;)

When we get together with cradle friends, with few exceptions, the discussion turns to The US and What Crazy Thing They're Doing Now. You know what? I don't care. I'm actually more interested in the country I"m living in. Like, maybe we could talk about polygamy and whether it being illegal is against the Charter of Rights and Freedoms? And what it could mean if it's found that it should be legal? Why can't we talk about stuff that's relevant to Canada?

And then's there's the other two favoured topics: US Health Care and how Canada is BEtter (as if the US is the only yardstick for health care, FFS) and How Everyone Secretly Wishes they could move to the US because it's Mysteriously Better. (though no one can explain to me exactly how or why that's so. And again, is the US the ONLY FREAKING COUNTRY one can move to? FFS)

I once brought a conversation to a halt by stating I had no desire to move there, didn't ever want to, thought Canada was just fine, can we move on please? This was because it turned I can apply for some green card lottery thingie and the cradles were all slavering at the teeth and saying I should do it. It was if it had never occurred to them that Canada was a decent place on it's own.

My impression is a lot of cradles feel insecure about Canada and Canadian values. Hence all the comparison, while at the same time they don't feel like they can take themselves seriously until they've lived in the US, or something.

And then there's the ones who are convinced the US would invade if given half the chance.

THAT was a weird and eye-opening conversation.

I dunno. I don't actually have anythng against the US, I just don't think it's the Centre of the Universe. THough of course if you say that you think that's how Canadians act sometimes, people get defensive, but honestly, that's the impression I get from some Canadians. And also Canada is waaaaaaay more influenced by the US that it cares to admit...which ties into my previous point about the US NOT BEING THE ONLY YARDSTICK to measure one's country by.







I have no idea what's up Oink's bum, but that's what is staring to annoy me.

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They also said on the radio, that the US building companies and suppliers would most probably refuse to build or supply building materials for this Mosque anyhow, even if they did proceed to build it.

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I think Kiwilass covered it quite well and far politely than I could have managed. Although, it seems to be a status thing for Vancouverites to have a place in Point Roberts which I can’t quite understand because apart from cheaper booze, the place is a s**thole.

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I agree, though I think the media and Stephen Harper do a lot to help this.

I believe the US would invade they thought it was in their best interests. Then we'd all be in Gitmo prison for defending our homes, charged with terrorism offenses!

Someone will supply the materials and labour. At the end of the day, someone wants a pay cheque.

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How is Harper turning Canada into America-Lite? Are you suggesting that, somehow, Canada was not America-Lite prior to Harper?

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I hate to point this out...he may be the president..but he isnt "God" excuse the pun...

The constitution, written by far wiser people than any of us, established those freedoms...and no one man can override them...

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I do appreciate it. Can you imagine the 1st black god though? Now THAT would show the world how far the land of the *cough*free*cough* has progressed. :)

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Who says he isn't? he could be a brother from another mother...

Inspite of all the pissing and moaning...It has spoken volumes about the US that the prez was voted in...a maturity (no, not guilt) that suprised even me.

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No they should not allow this to happen.It should not be allowed in the places they have already built them.

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Where should mosques be built?

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If a Mosque is needed to serve the Muslim community in this area, go for it. If it is not then why do it? I believe that would be the logical decision. But logic very rarely comes into politics. Just look at the debate about the Niqab to see illogical thinking in action.

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it's what the mentals who believe do best.

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At the end of they day its about respect, for those who lost their lives and put their life at risk on 9/11.

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People die, or risk their lives for others, every day. Yes, a lot of people died on 9/11 but I don't necessarily respect those dead anymore than I respect every other dead person in the world. Shit happens all over the world, and it usually happens to the nicest people.

I support our troops even though I don't agree with where they are, and I certainly don't think they're anymore heroes than any other profession who dies doing their job when it's a known occupational risk. Soldiers get shot at, fireman have to go into flaming buildings to rescue people, police go into the worst neighbourhoods to fight crime, and EMS could catch any one of 100's of diseases from their patients. These people know the risks they face, and I thank them for it.

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You sound very blasé about the thousands of innocent who lost their lives on that day that were on the plane and working in the towers at the time of the attack. Women, Children and men who had nothing to do with the terrorist act but were there through misfortune.

I have the utmost respect for those who put their lives at risk every day for each and every one of us they chose that for their profession. 9/11 however is a very different situation that is far from the norm of "a high risk profession."

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I agree, the workers in the Towers were unfortunate. However, many more people die from other unfortunate incidents such as car accidents, smoking-related deaths and other acts. Every one of these deaths is regrettable but no less innocent.

It was a shocking incident, but not all that differnt from 1000's of people dying as the result of an earthquake or tsunami. An incident that would have been avoided if the US intelligence agencies acted on information they admit they had prior to it. The terrorists are not the only ones at fault.

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Obama thinks this is a good idea :thumbup:

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...acked-by-Obama

Wonder if we would be as enthusiastic about building a little one inside Kings Cross Station, or have a mobile London Bus tribute mosque. :confused:

At the end of the day it comes down to "respect" for the family's of the Innocent murdered victims.

What next? Hitler tribute statue to be erected at Auschwitz.:thumbdown: No law against that either.

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My closing comment is that earthquakes and Tsunami are an act of God a terrorist attack is far from that and can't be considered in the same sentence.

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Thank you for this post I'm in agreement completely with your thoughts on the matter. The Hitler tribute comment would be in the same league of disrespect.

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Terrorists often believe their actions are sanctioned by their God. It's all religion's fault lol.

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Ahh, the delicious irony of Americans complaining about insensitivity.

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Americans???? I think you'll find that I2C is an Irish lass in Canada. :p

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I know that Muslims in general are peace loving people and I do not blame the majority for the minority of extreme terrorists.

I still do not agree with them building a Mosque near the Ground Zero site, it is just wrong!

It would be like building a Hitler memorial close to Auschwitz!!!
It's just thoughtless, cruel and pure insanity!

My opinion only, of course.

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Sorry, never realised someone had already made this comment. Great minds think alike :blink:

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Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. 'Nuff said.

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Yes would be nice to see a mosque built on ground zero one of those big ones like the ones in the middle east one that will call all to pray 4 times daily yes this would make america proud and show it to be more tolerent than the rest perhaps they could include a school for the faithful next door after all if we are going to be global may as well go the whole hog now because oneday it will happen like a black president and oneday a muslim president maybe a woman president although the last contenders ie H.Clinton & that alaskan woman well :thumbdown:

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Like many people, you appear to conflate "terrorist" with "Muslim" - building a temple to terrorism near ground zero would be the equivalent of building a Hitler (or fascism in general) memorial close to Auschwitz, building a Mosque is just building a Mosque - the vast majority of the 1.8 billion Muslims are not terrorists, just as the vast majority of the Irish weren't IRA.

If the terrorists manage to create a backlash against all Muslims, then they have indeed succeeded.