Why is it a conspiracy theory? Are you saying you don't believe more austerity cuts will be made or that the ultimate Tory plan isn't to privatize the NHS?
That Leadshom woman wants to take away workers rights and Theresa May has some outrageous views.. I don't believe either will call a General Election.

@ Bristol post #147 just over a week ago

What to do next?

Will the GBP:CDN reach the 2010 lows, if so, would you be buying GBP?

The USD:GBP is certainly getting lower also

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I realise that legally it's advisory, but I don't think the Leavers would understand or accept that. Hence the need for some obfuscation.

Who do you want locked up?!

I simply don't understand how a result based on such a blatantly dishonest campaign (even admitted to be so if only implicitly by its organizers) can have such a momentous binding effect for the UK dragging the rest of us reluctantly with it. I have examined myself to try to work out if this is just "sour grapes" on my part, but I don't think it is. Although perhaps I would say that.

S

I imagine there is a range of views within the Tory party on NHS privatisation, some hell bent for, some against. Austerity cuts come and go depending on the Chancellor and state of the economy. The conspiracy aspect is to suggest that the Tory party have somehow engineered a Brexit or seek to capitalise on the Brexit to further certain right wing aims. Presumably a handful on the far right do, but it's a stretch to present it as a pre-meditated aim of the Tories.

It's not sour grapes, is just common sense (a rare commodity in the UK it seems).

The referendum was advisory. Shard suggested that if it was dealt with as such the extremists on the far right of the Leavers (i.e, the BNP and elements of the Kippers) would riot.

Lock 'em up.

I just don't understand how AL can get away with saying she would trigger A50 immediately when that clearly would be an irresponsible thing to do (without any planning or clear idea of what that would mean). She does not know the consequences because nobody really knows and some people are just starting to have an inkling of what it would mean.

As was the case in the lead up to the Iraq war when someone commented that if a lot of people are telling you something is the wrong thing to do, then the chances are it is the wrong thing to do.

S

She may be posturing. Ken Clarke's candid comments yesterday suggested that she might not be as forthright as she seems.

Because it assumes a level of complexity these people aren't capable of. I mean look at David Cameron at PM's questions today. Do you think he read that entire 6000-page report at 8am and then produced that entire speech by lunchtime? It's all done by civil servants.

He came up with this idea for a referendum at a pizza restaurant at O'Hare Airport, ffs.

And they'll try not to call an election and use the fixed election date as an excuse but I have a feeling that won't fly.

Not quite the situation. The right to stay indefinately within a country -immigration- is not at all the same as the right to simply work in the country.
The right of freedom of movement is simply the right to seek and get a job anywhere in Europe, residence is a secondary effect.
A million Brits moved to warmer climates or ones with a less expensive cost of living when they retired, taking their UK Index linked State Pension and Occupational pensions with them. Many of them, if not most of them took advantage of lower property costs to sell up in UK and buy somewhere out in Europe. If they have to return they would lose a lot on the selling up and buying in the inflated housing market in the UK. They have taken jobs that UK unemployed don't want, low paid or on 'zero hours contracts' (employed as and when the employer wants you to work but with no employment rights). The well educated and qualified foreign workers are a large proportion of the UK's dentists, doctors, nurses and others making a large contribution to the economy.
Most of those who migrated into the UK are lower paid people working in the 'service industries' and agriculture and rent accommodation in the UK.

The question 'who will be hit worst by any change' was never answered before the vote.

Another aspect of the problem that has never been raised is why the UK unemployed have not used the same right of freedom of movement to get down into the southern areas they spend a fortune on holidaying in. They would be able to get unemployment benefits there, albeit at 'local rates' but actually they are fairly compatible with those in the UK (a fact never mentioned in the UK press which has a strong anti-EU bias).

When the Remain campaign looked certain to win those supporting Leave abandoned argument on facts - there simply are NO facts that they could use, only supposition - and bought into Farage's campaign of lies, lies and more lies to feed xenophobia and the irritant of the documentation needs of a 'common market'. They, successfully and with the support of the 'popular' (read that as aimed at the ill educated) press, used the tactic of shouting down sensible argument on the principle that if they shouted out lies loud enough and often enough it would fulfil Churchill's statement that you can fool all of the people some of the time.
I have heard the complaint 'I thought voting leave meant telling immigrants to leave' but a large number have said they didn't want to really leave but wanted to give the politicians a kick up the rear.

Interesting to consider that if 2% had voted the other way ( 48+2 beats 51-2) the decision would be different.

Lets hope that May gets to be PM. I am NOT a supporter but the alternatives are horrendous, one backstabbing so and so who has had idea after idea proved unusable in the past and the other a politician with less than2 years experience and who supported Farage's ideas.

We are already getting Farmers who say they can't compete with Canadian wheat. or Argentinian beef so the UK govt must subsidise them at least as much as the EU but not insist on an 'audit trail' to prove they were entitled to the subsidy, and many 'social groups' such as schools that want the UK to guarantee to at least match the funding that was coming in from the EU.

The blind led by those who will not see springs to mind and now the consequences!

May was on TV last night saying she is going to make Brexit work. No backing down, no referendum re run, looks like this is really guna happen

The question is what is it going to look like? The Leavers have been sold a delicious cake which they can eat, and have too. Once France gets involved in the negotiation, the uncomfortable reality of Brexit will become more apparent.

I see the stock market has risen since May became PM as has the value of the pound against the dollar, I think this is more due to the fact that we DO have someone in charge, and not just someone in the wings waiting to take over.

Definitely. The markets hate uncertainty more than anything.

Post Brexit Holiday phrasebook
French

Would I get better treatment if I told you I was a football hooligan or a Brexiter?
Est-ce que je serais mieux traité si j’etais un hooligan ou un Brexiter?

I’m not sure what my healthcare situation is here any more, so try not to poison me.
Je ne suis pas sûr que ma couverture médicale me prenne toujours en charge, donc essayez de ne pas m’empoisonner.

Do you accept dental fillings as currency?
Est-ce que je peux vous payer en dents en or?

Can we keep Arsène Wenger?
Est-ce que l’on peut garder Arsene Wenger?

Think how cheaply you’ll be able to buy our boring cheese and subpar wine now!
Pensez à la bonne affaire que vous ferez désormais en achetant nos fromages sans goût et notre piquette!

Spanish

Here are my life savings in sterling. Is it enough to afford this novelty straw donkey?
Toma, todos mis ahorros en libras. ¿Me alcanza para comprarle al burro de paja ese?

Please assure me that Del Boy’s Sausage and Lager Fun Pub has not been adversely affected by the UK’s current political climate.
Dime por favor que la situación política del Reino Unido no ha impactado a Del Boy’s Sausage And Lager Fun Pub.

Don’t blame me, blame my dad.
Oye, que la culpa no es mía, ojo. Es de mi padre.

Please, just promise me all the retired ex-pat East End gangsters will be OK.
Prométeme por lo menos que estarán bien los gangsters jubilados del East End.

Can we arm-wrestle for control of Gibraltar?
¿Y si echamos un pulso? El ganador se queda con Gibraltar.

German

I read on a bus that you have £350m of mine. Can I have it back?
Ich habe auf einem Bus gelesen, dass sie mir £350m schulden. Könnte ich die bitte wiederhaben?

Excuse me, could you teach me how to unify a country?
Entschuldigung, können sie mir verraten wie man ein entzweites Land vereint?

Yes, I agree, Nigel Farage is a berk.
Ja, Nigel Farage ist ein Trottel, da haben sie recht.

You’re sexy. Let’s get married for the passports.
Du bist sexy. Lass uns heiraten damit ich einen deutschen Pass bekommen kann.

What’s the German word for “schadenfreude”?
Wie sagt man “schadenfreude” auf Deutsch?

And one from the Greek section
Please explain how you got your government to overturn that referendum.
Εξηγήστε παρακαλώ πως η κυβέρνηση σας ανέτρεψε το δημοψήφισμα.
(Exigiste parakalo pos ee kivernisi sas anetrepse to dimopsifisma.)



Pinched from the Guardian.