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There's no way the referendum can be deemed purely advisory. Have you seen some of the 52%? There would be riots. The only option is to kick it into the long grass, and let the economic penalties (job losses, recession, etc) persuade some of the unbelievers that there is an economic trade off for insularity. At the same time, the exact details of residency rights need to be spelt out. For instance, when emigrants to Spain find their pensions are no longer index linked, will they return to Britain and what will be the impact on the NHS, welfare, etc.. There is volumes of detail which the Britsh public need to consider (or at least be aware of) before A50, and that will take time. The EU too will need to consider reform in a Brexit scenario. Everyone's in for a long rocky ride. Thanks, Dave.

As I wrote on the other thread, I never thought I'd see the day when I was actively hoping TM would become PM!! But it's arrived!

S

Just how much was actually said beforehand about that over there?

Forgetting the personalities for a moment...given the Leave side has admitted to important parts of its campaign being misleading, the numbers of people saying "they didn't really mean it" or not fully understanding the issues and seeing all this other stuff now being talked about, the relevance of which doesn't seem to have been appreciated, the disarray of the two parties, one might make a case for a state of emergency to be declared.

More seriously, what if the government announced that in view of all this uncertainty, a possible change of heart among the people, some people who were unable to vote and other possible irregularities (I made that bit up...it used to work on Yes Minister ), talks needed with our neighbours to the North etc etc and a potential general election, that this was not the time and that the matter would be revisited in a year.

I mean, let's face it, would this be any worse than breaking promises (if one was ever made ) that have been seen numerous times before which governments have always survived?

No plans to introduce/increase prescription charges/VAT, no plans to cut tax credits, promises to cut unemployment etc

Professor Michael Dougan giving evidence to the Treasury Select Committee on the UK's future economic relationship with the EU. It gives you some idea of the scale of the task (overwhelming). I picked this up off F/B and it's a couple of hours long. I haven't watched it all. I think he should be the next Prime Minister. He's the only person I've listened to who is qualified for the job!

Parliamentlive.tv - Treasury Committee

S

Where have you been the last 30-odd years? The British Nationality Act 1981 established that most British people were British citizens. Have a look in your passport on the photo page.

And there is a written constitution, Thoburn v Sunderland City Council established that there was and what Acts constituted British constitutional law.

IIRC:

Magna Carta 1215
Bill of Rights 1689
The Acts of Union 1707
Reform Acts
Parliament Acts
European Communities Act 1972
Human Rights Act 1998
Scotland Act 1998
Government of Wales Act 1998

These laws cannot be implicitly repealed or altered by Parliament, they have to be expressly altered by Parliament and so form the supreme law of the land.

This crap we learned in school that there is "no written constitution" is wrong. It was wrong then frankly but it just hadn't been tested in court and it's definitely wrong now.

Thought this was interesting...

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...oll-back-state

And of course if that is now ultimately their plan, they will be able to blame any cuts all on that overwhelming majority of 51.9%..

Only the Guardian could have come up with a conspiracy theory like that.

Trust me I've dealt with Tory politicians directly a lot over the years, they could never come up with anything that clever. I remember talking to Sir Norman Fowler once about a command paper and I >snipped< you not, the first thing out of his mouth was: "What's a command paper?" This was a guy who was tipped to be Prime Minister.

You only have to look at the state of shock the British High Commissioner was in after the vote. Looked like he'd been having a nap for 40 years and failed an audition for Father Ted.

It's all very well and good saying the UK can negotiate its own trade agreements - slight snag, the UK hasn't done it for four decades. Who precisely is going to negotiate them?

So SM TM will be PM.

I just want to thank you so much for putting that link up.

So interesting, informative and - at long last - factual.

You're welcome.

He provides evidence-based information.

Of course he was a Remainer, but it seems he'll be helping with sorting out the fallout.

S

It's all of them in that room. The Q&A. It is unemotional thank goodness and explores the actualities of what is to be or could be faced.

I much prefer this to hype , hysteria & mud slinging.

Yes, you are right.

No summer holiday for them, I don't think.

Perhaps if we all watch "real" material like this, we will start to get a sense of what could be to come.

S

That's what us diehard Remainers are hoping. But you can't just say that, it has to be gradual backslide and no intention of triggering A50. It's why Junkers is basically as dangerous as Farage. Hopefully, 'Kohler heads' will prevail.

Quite. A totally warped and politicised opinion piece, made even more unpalatable by referencing Naomi Klein.

There's no way it can be viewed as otherwise. The advisory status is specified in the enabling legislation for the referendum.

A golden opportunity to lock the bastards up.