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Reading the beeb this morning seems like the ramifications are getting ever bigger, with questions on human rights and whether it's even possible to strip Brits of their EU citizenship.

Not to mention a europhile parliament trying to pass leave legislation.

This is even more of a mess than a straight "leave, get out, go"

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:ohmy:I was reading that last night. Details that should have been considered before calling a referendum. Meanwhile the £ continues to fall. $1.70 Cnd Dollars today and I'm wishing we'd got our a*** into gear and shifted some of our money a few months ago...:(

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This is the problem. Far too many of the Leave voters had/have no clue about the enormously complex task of extricating ourselves from the EU. In a few months the people moaning about the EU will be moaning about why it's taking so long to leave it.

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But was it subject to falling exchange rates? ;)

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Interesting future-gazing piece by Tom Bradby - posted a couple of days ago on his ITN facebook page, so sort of half way between personal opinion and official commentary. Rather too many unknowns for so positive an outlook, but the 'keep calm and carry on' mentality seems to be alive and well here...

Hope the link is a public one... let me know if not and I'll delete :)

https://www.facebook.com/tombradbyit...75381216031568

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I actually held on to shifting some quids on the assumption that they'd never go for it and the pound would recover.

Continuing my near 100% record of getting currency speculation wrong.

I am literally the anti-soros.

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Second day at the start of the next week....goodbye another 3c. :(

That's 20c so far. My pension tomorrow will be $90 less than on referendum day.

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Good piece, and very much the scenario I am imagining too. Reform Europe, don't smash it up as the psycho Farage is intent on doing.

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I heard a CBC radio interview with him last night. He was asked about the misleading statement that the NHS would get more money as a result of leaving.

He said someone else said that not him. Pushed about not correcting it when said he didn't appear to think he had any responsibility for such misinformation on the campaign.

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From the link,

"If Ms May could achieve what I suspect she would want - a quiet, cautious divorce that keeps us in the Single Market, retains the City's status as the financial capital of Europe and settles the rest of the EU down - then that is likely to prove a much more attractive political option than going over the ground a second time."

But that is unachievable. Angela Merkel is facing her own re-election in 2017.

Where does freedom of movement come into this chaps perspective?

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It was just such a shoddy campaign on both sides. Nothing beyond the sound bites. The Leave side simply did not want to know. Practically every expert lined up to say there will be an economic price to pay, and they were just dismissed as incompetent elitists. The fatal flaw of Remain was to refuse to discuss excess immigration in any depth. Plenty of soothing noises about the benefits of immigration, very little on the sustainability.

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Why does Merkel's re-election make an amicable Brexit less achievable? May has already more or less conceded the freedom of movement issue (she's holding out on promising EU citizens currently in the UK that they can stay, until a similar concession is given to UK citizens in the EU: that looks like freedom of movement to me). Doesn't that indicate that a Norwegian relationship is the least-worst option for Brexit?

Granted, not pulling the trigger on Article 50 at all is infinitely preferable, and there seems to be a gathering body of opinion that it won't actually be as easy as the Leave campaigners hoped to make that happen. But whatever the mechanics of invoking A50, it will absolutely be on Britain's timetable.

I suspect that Merkel doesn't like Juncker at all, and can't wait for him to go away. If he is too narrowly focused on his own empire to realize the damage his petulance is doing, not just to Britain but to the whole of the rest of Europe, then that is symptomatic of why we're in this mess to start with.

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:goodpost:

Excellent link Mr Oak!

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It'd the process for her getting re-elected that I was referring too. There is no certainty in that being successful.

It doesn't to me. In fact it has nothing at all to do with freedom of movement, but only with a right to remain in an EU country if you're already resident there.

Yes, but that longer it goes on without a specific declaration by the UK Gov that since the referendum was purely advisory and will be ignored the more devastation will be wreaked on the Uk economy.



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Ah, fair point. Missed that inference. :)

but the only way, sensibly, to ensure those rights are not lost is to grant them to everyone else too - in other words, to continue to allow free movement of goods, services, capital and labour. IN which case, of course, Britain might as well not bother Brexiting at all... that old adage springs to mind about it being better for everyone to have the UK inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in ;)

and that's also a good point. But while Jean-Claude Juncker continues to be a complete twat about everything, playing the "we don't have to do anything until we want to, if at all - and certainly not because you tell us we should" card is probably yet another least-worst option, a bit like having Theresa May as PM...