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Old Nov 27th 2013 | 12:43 pm
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Originally Posted by KuroKuro
Playing devil's advocate a little here, but how can we have women only gyms? How is that not (legally speaking) discriminating towards men?
I believe that kind of gym is set up as a club, and as such can be selective. Hotels offer services to the public, and cannot be selective.
 
Old Nov 27th 2013 | 12:45 pm
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Originally Posted by Shard
I believe that kind of gym is set up as a club, and as such can be selective. Hotels offer services to the public, and cannot be selective.
So if the B And B set itsrlf up as a private club for Chrisdtian heterosexuals then would that be legal?
 
Old Nov 27th 2013 | 12:47 pm
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Originally Posted by KuroKuro
Playing devil's advocate a little here, but how can we have women only gyms? How is that not (legally speaking) discriminating towards men?

Not just Gyms....try women only races (5k,10k, half marathon et al). Yes they are springing up all over the place...the females in my running group don't get it, and think it's just ludicrous considering there are already different categories at races...male/female top finishers, age groups, and qualifying times

On a different note though, we now have a one standard fitness test for both genders in the military
 
Old Nov 27th 2013 | 12:48 pm
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Originally Posted by bats
So if the B And B set itsrlf up as a private club for Chrisdtian heterosexuals then would that be legal?

They will be denied a license.....
 
Old Nov 27th 2013 | 12:48 pm
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Originally Posted by Shard
Why is it lopsided? What's the problem? Do you not accept that gay people are equal to straight people ?
Absolutely i do accept equality.

That is not the issue and never has been

But it is fine and dandy to recognize collective rights (the homosexuals), but not so of individual rights (hotel owners)? After all, it is not as if these people could not find alternative accommodation.
 
Old Nov 27th 2013 | 12:53 pm
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Originally Posted by bats
They are running a business, you can't turn away customers because you don't like them being gay, or short, or foriegn, or Catholic, or carnivores, or disabled. I wonder if they ran through the 10 Commandments with all guests, or maybe checked compliance with Leviticus?
but that is the point

The owners do not want homosexual guests and they may be losing money needlessly but because of personal convictions, and many here will disagree, they do not look at it in purely financial terms
 
Old Nov 27th 2013 | 12:58 pm
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Originally Posted by montreal mike
Absolutely i do accept equality.

That is not the issue and never has been

But it is fine and dandy to recognize collective rights (the homosexuals), but not so of individual rights (hotel owners)? After all, it is not as if these people could not find alternative accommodation.
When two rights conflict, one has to take priority. In this case thy boyz could probably find alternative accommodation, but what if they couldn't? Would they have to sleep in the back of their truck like the black jazz musicians had to do in the Fifties? If the hoteliers are that hung up on homosexuality, they are in the wrong business. That's not just my opinion, it's that of the Supreme Court. It's not that difficult a concept to understand Mike, I can't see you don't get it?
 
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Originally Posted by montreal mike
but that is the point

The owners do not want homosexual guests and they may be losing money needlessly but because of personal convictions, and many here will disagree, they do not look at it in purely financial terms
Once you set a precedent, it's hard to go back.

"homosexuals" today, others tomorrow? It's like taking steps back to where we've already been..... ala segregation

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Originally Posted by Shard
It's not that difficult a concept to understand Mike, I can't see you don't get it?
Actually I do.

Your response is what I have been looking for and you write eloquently for although I knew the answer all along.

Which is that in practical terms some rights triumph over others

All for the greater good philosophy

I will sometimes intentionally play devil's advocate and take a contrary position

And the responses so far on this thread have been highly predictable but at the same time very interesting

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Originally Posted by ultrarunner
Once you set a precedent, it's hard to go back.

"homosexuals" today, others tomorrow? It's like taking steps back to where we've already been..... ala segregation

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please see my latest post for your answer
 
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There's hotels in Australia and South Africa that advertise themselves as "gay friendly", happily scooping up the business from those who don't want it.
 
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Originally Posted by paulry
There's hotels in Australia and South Africa that advertise themselves as "gay friendly", happily scooping up the business from those who don't want it.
i think that is an intelligent approach

every one goes home happy

no legal battles to prove a point
 
Old Nov 27th 2013 | 1:17 pm
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Originally Posted by neilcumming
I like this ,very well put.What they going to do if they get to heaven and there are gay people there or are gays not allowed in like their B&B?
Of course they're not - God hates poofs.
 
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Originally Posted by montreal mike
but that is the point

The owners do not want homosexual guests and they may be losing money needlessly but because of personal convictions, and many here will disagree, they do not look at it in purely financial terms
So if they ran a corner shop could they refuse to serve gay people? It's the same thing.
 
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Originally Posted by montreal mike
i think that is an intelligent approach

every one goes home happy

no legal battles to prove a point
Apartheid avoided a lot of potential unpleasantness too
 


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