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-   The Maple Leaf (https://britishexpats.com/forum/maple-leaf-98/)
-   -   gays not welcomed (https://britishexpats.com/forum/maple-leaf-98/gays-not-welcomed-816320/)

bats Nov 27th 2013 11:27 am
Re: gays not welcomed
 
Originally Posted by fuchs01 (Post 11011201)
Its a difficult theme aint it, and I admit my limitations and confusion on this,
I am what people say straight...have gay friends, over the years defended
Their corner, worked in a part gay pub.That was many years ago.
Couldnt go down that avenue myself.
Hotel is opens its door to trade with the public, by law they cant pick and choose,
but Yes I still have my qualms..for instance I couldwatch a man and women kiss
In public, and pubs, walk by two gays kissing in the park, no thought,
Be in a hotel lounge relaxing with family, No I still wouldnt like to see 2 gays
Kiss and cuddle...2 gay politicians
Get over it.

Sally Redux Nov 27th 2013 11:31 am
Re: gays not welcomed
 
Originally Posted by fuchs01 (Post 11011201)
Its a difficult theme aint it, and I admit my limitations and confusion on this,
I am what people say straight...have gay friends, over the years defended
Their corner, worked in a part gay pub.That was many years ago.
Couldnt go down that avenue myself.
Hotel is opens its door to trade with the public, by law they cant pick and choose,
but Yes I still have my qualms..for instance I couldwatch a man and women kiss
In public, and pubs, walk by two gays kissing in the park, no thought,
Be in a hotel lounge relaxing with family, No I still wouldnt like to see 2 gays
Kiss and cuddle...2 gay politicians
There is something strange about your line justification.

fuchs01 Nov 27th 2013 11:34 am
Re: gays not welcomed
 
Didnt finish my last post...
I wanted to finish, 2 gay politicians kissing in public..no dont like it,
Is that me..or the gay fraternity expecting too much, I really have my problems,
But I wont be made to feel guilty, I am still an hard headed hertrosexual.
Life must go on and tha t goes on one way....but my god without wanting to be patronising, I would jump in the trench to protect any gays right..
.what does that make me.....????

Sally Redux Nov 27th 2013 11:37 am
Re: gays not welcomed
 
Originally Posted by fuchs01 (Post 11011211)
hertrosexual.
What's that? Metrosexual women?

fuchs01 Nov 27th 2013 12:00 pm
Re: gays not welcomed
 
Naa Ive lost ut with my fish n chips in another thread, I woner if there are gay fish

ultrarunner Nov 27th 2013 12:13 pm
Re: gays not welcomed
 
Originally Posted by fuchs01 (Post 11011211)
Didnt finish my last post...
I wanted to finish, 2 gay politicians kissing in public..no dont like it,
Is that me..or the gay fraternity expecting too much, I really have my problems,
But I wont be made to feel guilty, I am still an hard headed hertrosexual.
Life must go on and tha t goes on one way....but my god without wanting to be patronising, I would jump in the trench to protect any gays right..
.what does that make me.....????

No I still wouldnt like to see 2 gays
Kiss and cuddle...2 gay politicians
Ok...now tell me this, if you were a non smoker and all of a sudden you find yourself in public, and joe blow comes along and lights one a cigarette in front of you...would your reaction be the same to the one you described above?

montreal mike Nov 27th 2013 12:18 pm
Re: gays not welcomed
 
Originally Posted by ultrarunner (Post 11010197)
Just curious...of all the races, why did you pick Black? How about Oriental, Asian, Amazonian et al

It's all relative

Montreal Mike.....you said this "i see the point but it is their hotel after all isn't it?". Am guessing you have kids, brothers and sisters? If what you are saying is, and am assuming here? That in this day and age bigotry has a place?

What would you do if you son/daughter/brother/sister starts dating or marries someone that looks different?
Homosexuals are fine. They have been around for thousands of years and are part of the human condition. So it is not a matter of being anti-homosexual.

I am merely being the devil's advocate and am simply asking myself why the rights and wishes and beliefs of the owners of the hotel are of no consequence whereas the rights of the homosexual couple are paramount?

After all, the homosexuals are free go elsewhere

It boils down to the state intervening and deciding which rights shall prevail: Individual Rights or Collective Rights

That is the only point I am raising.

PS. some landlords will refuse rentals to pet owners and smokers. Is this discrimination? I think not. If I am not wanted I can go find a landlord who will accept pets and smokers

Shard Nov 27th 2013 12:25 pm
Re: gays not welcomed
 
Originally Posted by montreal mike (Post 11011266)
Homosexuals are fine. They have been around for thousands of years and are part of the human condition. So it is not a matter of being anti-homosexual.

I am merely being the devil's advocate and am simply asking myself why the rights and wishes and beliefs of the owners of the hotel are of no consequence whereas the rights of the homosexual couple are paramount?

After all, the homosexuals are free go elsewhere

It boils down to the state intervening and deciding which rights shall prevail: Individual Rights or Collective Rights

That is the only point I am raising.

PS. some landlords will refuse rentals to pet owners and smokers. Is this discrimination?
What part of the word "discrimination" do you not understand? The right that the state is choosing to prevail is equality.

ultrarunner Nov 27th 2013 12:27 pm
Re: gays not welcomed
 
Originally Posted by montreal mike (Post 11011266)
Homosexuals are fine. They have been around for thousands of years and are part of the human condition. So it is not a matter of being anti-homosexual.

I am merely being the devil's advocate and am simply asking myself why the rights and wishes and beliefs of the owners of the hotel are of no consequence whereas the rights of the homosexual couple are paramount?

After all, the homosexuals are free go elsewhere

It boils down to the state intervening and deciding which rights shall prevail: Individual Rights or Collective Rights

That is the only point I am raising.

PS. some landlords will refuse rentals to pet owners and smokers. Is this discrimination?

And some building only take "seniors" renters....Ageism perhaps.

Smoking is now illegal in most indoors places in Ontario...emphasis on most here! It could be everywhere...but I'll leave it open

To the stuff in BOLD: That is because what the hotel owners are doing is called discrimination. The town/city can easily pull their operating licence to shut them down if they aren't going to cater to everyone am sure

montreal mike Nov 27th 2013 12:35 pm
Re: gays not welcomed
 
Originally Posted by ultrarunner (Post 11011274)
And some building only take "seniors" renters....Ageism perhaps.

Smoking is now illegal in most indoors places in Ontario...emphasis on most here! It could be everywhere...but I'll leave it open

To the stuff in BOLD: That is because what the hotel owners are doing is called discrimination. The town/city can easily pull their operating licence to shut them down if they aren't going to cater to everyone am sure
To Shard and ultrarunner

So are you are telling me the rights of the hotels owners do not count?

On the surface it is indeed discrimination but isn't the equation a bit lopsided?

bats Nov 27th 2013 12:37 pm
Re: gays not welcomed
 
Originally Posted by montreal mike (Post 11011266)
Homosexuals are fine. They have been around for thousands of years and are part of the human condition. So it is not a matter of being anti-homosexual.

I am merely being the devil's advocate and am simply asking myself why the rights and wishes and beliefs of the owners of the hotel are of no consequence whereas the rights of the homosexual couple are paramount?

After all, the homosexuals are free go elsewhere

It boils down to the state intervening and deciding which rights shall prevail: Individual Rights or Collective Rights

That is the only point I am raising.

PS. some landlords will refuse rentals to pet owners and smokers. Is this discrimination?
Service dogs apart, people don't need to be pets owners, nor do they need to smoke. Pets and cigarette smoke cause dirt, muck.

Not really the same now is it?

KuroKuro Nov 27th 2013 12:38 pm
Re: gays not welcomed
 
Playing devil's advocate a little here, but how can we have women only gyms? How is that not (legally speaking) discriminating towards men?

Shard Nov 27th 2013 12:41 pm
Re: gays not welcomed
 
Originally Posted by montreal mike (Post 11011281)
To Shard and ultrarunner

So are you are telling me the rights of the hotels owners do not count?

On the surface it is indeed discrimination but isn't the equation a bit lopsided?
Why is it lopsided? What's the problem? Do you not accept that gay people are equal to straight people ?

montreal mike Nov 27th 2013 12:42 pm
Re: gays not welcomed
 
Originally Posted by bats (Post 11011282)
Service dogs apart, people don't need to be pets owners, nor do they need to smoke. Pets and cigarette smoke cause dirt, muck.

Not really the same now is it?
I agree here (being a non-smoker myself and having no pets), but if not, and I were turned down on a rental, I would always go elsewhere, couldn't I?

bats Nov 27th 2013 12:43 pm
Re: gays not welcomed
 
Originally Posted by ultrarunner (Post 11011274)
And some building only take "seniors" renters....Ageism perhaps.

Smoking is now illegal in most indoors places in Ontario...emphasis on most here! It could be everywhere...but I'll leave it open

To the stuff in BOLD: That is because what the hotel owners are doing is called discrimination. The town/city can easily pull their operating licence to shut them down if they aren't going to cater to everyone am sure
They are running a business, you can't turn away customers because you don't like them being gay, or short, or foriegn, or Catholic, or carnivores, or disabled. I wonder if they ran through the 10 Commandments with all guests, or maybe checked compliance with Leviticus?


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