That's very simplistic. We might not "see the future" but we can identify risks, we can measure probabilities, we deduce outcomes.

Yep.

Actually I think it's probably more than that but I think you've got most of them in there.

It reminds me of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy when they go back in time and find that the Earth was colonized by people who were jettisoned from another planet because they were totally useless.

So now we have a list of a people who should be shot out into space.

Yeah but he's polling in the mid-30s so I can't see that happening.

The US is a nation of (recent) immigrants and none of the browner coloured ones are going to vote for him.

We can but that becomes very subjective, it's not fact. Which is why there is a divide, some people believe one thing others believe another. There's not really a right or wrong

Ricky Gervais:

"Cheer up. We'll be dead soon and it's the next generation who will really suffer."

Which is why the word has formal systems for measuring and quantifying risk and applying this to situations to make informed, defendable decisions. It is called statistics. It is ok that not everyone can understand this but that is why we have experts and why people should listen to them.

For me the leave campaign lost all credibility when Gove suggested we should not listen to experts.

But some only put over one side and put it over with blatant untruths.

Some will have more than one side of an argument and you can read that without the lies and exaggerations.

Is there a morning after pill for this?

I was rather hoping for a time machine.

I think he was making the point that experts have been wrong in the past.

That is all very well but at the same time it's not 100% accurate. I don't think anyone has been denying it would have an impact on the economy, at least initially anyway, but there are other important parts to this. Economies can recover, this there is past evidence of.

But the question is, statistically, who is more likely to be wrong. Experts who have studied the evidence, history etc. or the layman who is either ignoring, not aware or misinterpreting the evidence.

Bloody hell. That's exactly what I said when I woke my stepdaughter for work this morning.

"Why would you want a time ma...." she began and then realisation "...they voted to leave didn't they..."

Like I said this is not just a vote about the economy, other factors are in play.

I completely understand concerns about the economy being a reason to vote in & can respect that. You are assuming though those who have voted out "ignored, not aware of, or misinterpreted the evidence" which is not necessarily true. They may have just decided their other reasons for voting out are more important.

Neither side is right or wrong, you just need to accept we live in a democracy, this is the outcome & it's time to work together to make the most of it. The ones being abusive & derogatory are keeping the country divided, therefore making it weaker. It's just not a helpful attitude to have.

Had a similar (long distance) conversation with my siblings this morning...

FFS all of these whingeing, whining throw your toys out of the pram REMAINERS
ask yourself this question

Why did the UK have a vote and who called it?

Heres a reminder

The Conservative Party promised the electorate a vote on Britain’s EU membership if they won the 2015 general election. Cameron triumphed, winning a majority of the members of parliament and was asked for the second time by the Queen to form a government.
Cameron spent the months after the general election touring the capitals of Europe trying to win concessions from European leaders for a special package for Britain so he could recommend to the British people the country stay in the reformed EU.

The Conservative Party has been divided on Britain’s EU membership for more than 30 years — many want Britain to withdraw, take back control of the country’s borders and roll back EU regulations.

So rather than having a go at Brexiter voters blame the person who called the vote.

There have been lots of referendum promises over the years.

Referendum Promises

He dodged the cast-iron one.

No doubt in the London bubble this one seemed like a walk in the park but the worth of the EU seems less obvious elsewhere.

'If you've got money, you vote in ... if you haven't got money, you vote out' | Politics | The Guardian