EU Referendum
#228
The Sun is apparently in favour. The electorate usually follows. 
Collect up your gold bars, arm yourself to the teeth and head for your retreat in the hills. Erect razor wire fences on both sides of the moat.
Can I come? I'll bring the tea.

Who knows but I am trying to make contingency plans.
Can I come? I'll bring the tea.
#229
It should come as no surprise that the UK are having this vote, if Britain was 100% committed to the EEC then why did they keep the GBP And not switch over to the Euro ?
#232
Rule #17? 
["Thin end of the wedge", thanks Google; BristolUK, not so much.]
I don't see how that phrase applies to the scenario under discussion.
If Germany sees value in allowing a skilled British citizen to work in Germany, I have no doubt they will be allowed to do so. Equally, the idea that an unemployed British labourer should be allowed to wander into Germany looking for work is daft. It was daft before the EU/EEA came along, it has been daft for the past 40+ years, and it will continue to be daft as long as the unrestricted freedom of movement rules are allowed to exist.

["Thin end of the wedge", thanks Google; BristolUK, not so much.]
I don't see how that phrase applies to the scenario under discussion.

If Germany sees value in allowing a skilled British citizen to work in Germany, I have no doubt they will be allowed to do so. Equally, the idea that an unemployed British labourer should be allowed to wander into Germany looking for work is daft. It was daft before the EU/EEA came along, it has been daft for the past 40+ years, and it will continue to be daft as long as the unrestricted freedom of movement rules are allowed to exist.
Last edited by Pulaski; Jun 14th 2016 at 9:42 am.
#233
Well, it might not directly be membership of the EU that gave citizens of all the member states residency rights and all the rest but it was surely a major part.
So if we were no longer members of the EU, might it not be feasible that we would also not be signatories to the various other agreements? Is it impossible to withdraw agreement?
What about unskilled?
Not just Germany though is it.
What happens when/if Brits start saying "I thought we voted against these people coming here?"
What about citizens in other countries when/if they say "these people voted to leave, why are they still here?"
This looks like a thin end of the wedge to me.
There were still limits affecting how much money one could take on holiday to Europe as recently as the 70s. It had to go in your passport.
So if we were no longer members of the EU, might it not be feasible that we would also not be signatories to the various other agreements? Is it impossible to withdraw agreement?
If Germany sees value in allowing a skilled British citizen to work in Germany, I have no doubt they will be allowed to do so.
Equally, the idea that an unemployed British labourer should be allowed to wander into Germany looking for work is daft.
It was daft before the EU/EEA came along, it has been daft for the past 40+ years, and it will continue to be daft as long as the unrestricted freedom of movement rules are allowed to exist.
What about citizens in other countries when/if they say "these people voted to leave, why are they still here?"
This looks like a thin end of the wedge to me.
There were still limits affecting how much money one could take on holiday to Europe as recently as the 70s. It had to go in your passport.
#234

FWIW Maggie ripped up the British exchange controls just a few weeks after being elected in 1979.
#235
Rule #17? 
["Thin end of the wedge", thanks Google; BristolUK, not so much.]
I don't see how that phrase applies to the scenario under discussion.
If Germany sees value in allowing a skilled British citizen to work in Germany, I have no doubt they will be allowed to do so. Equally, the idea that an unemployed British labourer should be allowed to wander into Germany looking for work is daft. It was daft before the EU/EEA came along, it has been daft for the past 40+ years, and it will continue to be daft as long as the unrestricted freedom of movement rules are allowed to exist.

["Thin end of the wedge", thanks Google; BristolUK, not so much.]
I don't see how that phrase applies to the scenario under discussion.

If Germany sees value in allowing a skilled British citizen to work in Germany, I have no doubt they will be allowed to do so. Equally, the idea that an unemployed British labourer should be allowed to wander into Germany looking for work is daft. It was daft before the EU/EEA came along, it has been daft for the past 40+ years, and it will continue to be daft as long as the unrestricted freedom of movement rules are allowed to exist.
Why is it OK for British retirees to still get easy access to countries like Spain, Italy, Malta, but someone who wants to live in the UK and work needs to jump through a bunch of hoops? (In case of Brexit/loss of FoM privileges)
#236
Rule #17? 
["Thin end of the wedge", thanks Google; BristolUK, not so much.]
I don't see how that phrase applies to the scenario under discussion.
If Germany sees value in allowing a skilled British citizen to work in Germany, I have no doubt they will be allowed to do so. Equally, the idea that an unemployed British labourer should be allowed to wander into Germany looking for work is daft. It was daft before the EU/EEA came along, it has been daft for the past 40+ years, and it will continue to be daft as long as the unrestricted freedom of movement rules are allowed to exist.

["Thin end of the wedge", thanks Google; BristolUK, not so much.]
I don't see how that phrase applies to the scenario under discussion.

If Germany sees value in allowing a skilled British citizen to work in Germany, I have no doubt they will be allowed to do so. Equally, the idea that an unemployed British labourer should be allowed to wander into Germany looking for work is daft. It was daft before the EU/EEA came along, it has been daft for the past 40+ years, and it will continue to be daft as long as the unrestricted freedom of movement rules are allowed to exist.
It may have been "daft" 40 years ago, but it isn't now. The world is so much more interconnected, whether we like it or not. Why should we impose artificial borders on the next generation and limit their opportunities? On the news tonight they reported on a new regional airport in Eastern Poland which has thousands of Poles commuting into Luton, and in doing so, developing the Polish economy while providing labour to Britain. This is progress to my mind.
You breezily dismiss the idea of European conflict, but what of the Balkan war just twenty years ago, what of the maurauding Russian and English football hooligans or extreme right factions in each European country. There is plenty of evidence to suggest that we haven't quashed our violent past. Brexit is not going to cause any wars, but it might lead to a disintegration of Europe, and then who knows what can happen in 20 years time.
#237
I went to the Soviet Union and Egypt in the 80s and 90s. Similar currency restrictions existed.
#238
That is the polar opposite of what I said! .... Didn't bother to read the rest, as you clearly didn't pay much attention to what I wrote.
#239
It may have been "daft" 40 years ago, but it isn't now. The world is so much more interconnected, whether we like it or not. Why should we impose artificial borders on the next generation and limit their opportunities? On the news tonight they reported on a new regional airport in Eastern Poland which has thousands of Poles commuting into Luton, and in doing so, developing the Polish economy while providing labour to Britain. This is progress to my mind. ....
.... You breezily dismiss the idea of European conflict, but what of the Balkan war just twenty years ago, what of the maurauding Russian and English football hooligans or extreme right factions in each European country. There is plenty of evidence to suggest that we haven't quashed our violent past. Brexit is not going to cause any wars, but it might lead to a disintegration of Europe, and then who knows what can happen in 20 years time.






