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Old Jun 14th 2016 | 3:41 am
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What will be will be, it's guna be close that's for sure, Bloomberg reported:

The online survey of 2,497 adults carried out by TNS June 7-13 found 47 percent backing “Leave” and 40 percent for “Remain.”
 
Old Jun 14th 2016 | 3:45 am
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What will be will be, it's guna be close that's for sure, Bloomberg reported:

The online survey of 2,497 adults carried out by TNS June 7-13 found 47 percent backing “Leave” and 40 percent for “Remain.” It comes after four phone and online
But "leave" seems to have the momentum.

I identified the turning point a few days ago when the Swedish prime minister publically recognized what the elite politicians of Brussels, France, and Germany fear, that the EU would collapse if the UK leaves. ..... At that point all the arguments about the UK being "left behind" became irrelevant.
 
Old Jun 14th 2016 | 3:51 am
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I identified the turning point a few days ago when the Swedish prime minister publically recognized what the elite politicians of Brussels, France, and Germany fear, that the EU would collapse if the UK leaves. ..... At that point all the arguments about the UK being "left behind" became irrelevant.
Are you suggesting that since there is a finite chance that a Brexit vote would destroy the EU then it's OK because not only the UK but all of Europe would then be plunged into turmoil?

Let's see. When did that happen last? Oh yes....
 
Old Jun 14th 2016 | 3:57 am
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OMG what did I start when I started this thread?!

I have given up reading commentary on Brexit because I was so terrified it would happen and now I am convinced that it will. I am now concentrating on what the fall out is likely to be and how it might affect me. Investments/savings in the UK for example: will they be safe after Brexit? (Market crashes etc etc.).
Who knows but I am trying to make contingency plans.

Now will I need a visa to visit France or Spain ...?

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Old Jun 14th 2016 | 3:57 am
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Originally Posted by Novocastrian
Are you suggesting that since there is a finite chance that a Brexit vote would destroy the EU then it's OK because not only the UK but all of Europe would then be plunged into turmoil?

Let's see. When did that happen last? Oh yes....
You are an educated voter, one of a few

Most of the Voters will not be one bit interested in anything that happened anytime before the 2016 Euros is my guess. The news shows people interviewed in the street saying they want to stop the immigrants taking our jobs, usually said by an unemployed lout on the street.

They will vote out for the same reasons the US will vote Trump in.
 
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Are you suggesting that since there is a finite chance that a Brexit vote would destroy the EU then it's OK because not only the UK but all of Europe would then be plunged into turmoil? .....
No, and to suggest that dissolving a political union would cause armies to invade their neighbours is among the sillier suggestions offered by the Remainers as an argument for remaining.

The likely outcome ten years from now, or probably much sooner, is a return to the Common Market of cooperating sovereign countries.
 
Old Jun 14th 2016 | 4:02 am
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Originally Posted by magnumpi
.... They will vote out for the same reasons the US will vote Trump in.


I mentioned Brexit and Trump winning here on BE a few days ago. The odds on a Trump presidency will shorten sharply if Brexit wins.

You don't need to be an uneducated labourer to see that the economies of Europe and the US are moribund and have been drifting and stagnating for the last 25-30 years. That will continue until things get shaken up a bit. Hopefully 2016 will be the year that happens.
 
Old Jun 14th 2016 | 4:07 am
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Originally Posted by Pulaski

The likely outcome ten years from now, or probably much sooner, is a return to the Common Market of cooperating sovereign countries.
Perhaps you're thinking of the EEA? Which the the UK will still be a member of whatever.
 
Old Jun 14th 2016 | 4:18 am
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A comment by Russell Eales about how the E.U. works for U.K. jobs, industries and economy.
He Asks the undecided to remember this when voting.

Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant.
Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.
Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, owned by Tata, the same company who have trashed our steel works and emptied the workers pension funds.
Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant.
British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales.
Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan.
Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200.
M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan.
Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with with EU grants.
Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant.
Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.
Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.
Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding.
Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing.
ICI integration into Holland’s AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs
Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year, using an EU loan for the purchase.
JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, bought up companies in the UK with £20 million in EU 'regeneration' grants, created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry.
UK airports are owned by a Spanish company.
Scottish Power is owned by a Spanish company.
Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies.
The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations. Now EDF say the costs will be double or more and it will be very late even if it does come online.
Swindon was once our producer of rail locomotives and rolling stock. Not any more, it's Bombardier in Derby and due to their losses in the aviation market, that could see the end of the British railways manufacturing altogether even though Bombardier had EU grants to keep Derby going which they diverted to their loss-making aviation side in Canada.
39% of British invention patents have been passed to foreign companies, many of them in the EU
The Mini cars that Cameron stood in front of as an example of British engineering, are built by BMW mostly in Holland and Austria. His campaign bus was made in Germany even though we have Plaxton, Optare, Bluebird, Dennis etc., in the UK. The bicycle for the Greens was made in the far east, not by Raleigh UK but then they are probably going to move to the Netherlands too as they have said recently.

Anyone who thinks the EU is good for British industry or any other business simply hasn't paid attention to what has been systematically asset-stripped from the UK. Name me one major technology company still running in the UK, I used to contract out to many, then the work just dried up as they were sold off to companies from France, Germany, Holland, Belgium, etc., and now we don't even teach electronic technology for technicians any more, due to EU regulations.

I haven't detailed our non-existent fishing industry the EU paid to destroy, nor the farmers being paid NOT to produce food they could sell for more than they get paid to do nothing, don't even go there.
I haven't mentioned what it costs us to be asset-stripped like this, nor have I mentioned immigration, nor the risk to our security if control of our armed forces is passed to Brussels or Germany.

Find something that's gone the other way, I've looked and I just can't. If you think the EU is a good idea,
1/ You haven't read the party manifesto of The European Peoples' Party.
2/ You haven't had to deal with EU petty bureaucracy tearing your business down.
3/ You don't care.

Facebook ehh !! This is where 90% voters will find their news.
 
Old Jun 14th 2016 | 4:26 am
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Originally Posted by magnumpi
Facebook ehh !! This is where 90% of idiots will find their news.
FTFY
 
Old Jun 14th 2016 | 5:39 am
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Originally Posted by Snowy560
OMG what did I start when I started this thread?!

I have given up reading commentary on Brexit because I was so terrified it would happen and now I am convinced that it will. I am now concentrating on what the fall out is likely to be and how it might affect me. Investments/savings in the UK for example: will they be safe after Brexit? (Market crashes etc etc.).
Who knows but I am trying to make contingency plans.

Now will I need a visa to visit France or Spain ...?

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Worst case you won't need a visa but will (on a UK pp) be treated the same as say, Canadians or Americans when entering the Schengen zone. Ie 90 days within 180 days.

The best and most likely case scenario in event of a Brexit is the UK remains in the EEA and freedom of movement will remain in effect.
 
Old Jun 14th 2016 | 5:48 am
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Perhaps you're thinking of the EEA? Which the the UK will still be a member of whatever.
No, I am thinking of the Common Market, which was what the UK joined in 1973, as opposed to the bloated proto-United States of Europe that the Common Market mutated into, resulting most notably from the Maastricht treaty.
 
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No, I am thinking of the Common Market, which was what the UK joined in 1973, as opposed to the bloated proto-United States of Europe that the Common Market mutated into, resulting most notably from the Maastricht treaty.


Trade is one thing but all this other stuff is so unnecessary. It seems to me that all this middle class bleating is just so they can holiday in their Tuscan villa without having to bring Tarquin and Guinevere's passports. Lets hope the British public see sense and reject this nonsense.
 
Old Jun 14th 2016 | 6:28 am
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Where's all that gravy going when it spills from the train?

Heart bleeds for all those poor MEPs and hangers on who'll lose their perks, but I suspect they'll have nice newly organised feather beds waiting for them. Look out for new rules on super platinum goodbyes and uprated pensions and leaving expenses when the gullotine falls.
 
Old Jun 14th 2016 | 6:32 am
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So what happens to ex-pats already living abroad in the EU if the UK exits ?
 


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