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Old Sep 14th 2021 | 8:05 am
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Originally Posted by Jsmth321
There are some pretty diehard conservative ridings in BC who will vote for anyone conservative and only conservative, mostly in the interior and Fraser Valley.

Looking at Langley area, seems they might be one of those areas as the conversion therapy candidate, I assume is one of the sitting MP's as articles come up about her when googling here name with conversion therapy, she also blocked concerned people in her riding rather than provide answers which should be illegal, politicians should be permitted to block their constituents.

https://www.citynews1130.com/2021/04...-constituents/

Now that riding was Liberal going into the last election and she only won her seat in 2019, so she may not win this time around.

According to Wiki, Jansen unseated a Liberal MP in 2019. Hardly a “diehard conservative riding”. Also according to Wiki, she voted against the therapy bill because she wanted it to permit “counsel from religious leaders on sexuality, and the rights of parents to protect and guide their children.” So, she is a Christian. Not my thing but I don’t see a conflict with being an MP. Or any other nonsense religion for that matter.
 
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According to Wiki, Jansen unseated a Liberal MP in 2019. Hardly a “diehard conservative riding”. Also according to Wiki, she voted against the therapy bill because she wanted it to permit “counsel from religious leaders on sexuality, and the rights of parents to protect and guide their children.” So, she is a Christian. Not my thing but I don’t see a conflict with being an MP. Or any other nonsense religion for that matter.
1- If you bothered to read the entire thing I wrote you would see I clearly said she won the seat from a Liberal in 2019.

2- I didn't call that riding diehard, I said some ridings in BC are diehard conservative and will only vote conservative, but did not say that riding was one such riding.

3- I said the riding might be, not is, words make a different.

Frankly those like you are why I would never vote Conservative, NDP all the way, only party who even comes close to being one that would do anything for those in my socio economic group.

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Old Sep 14th 2021 | 8:21 am
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1- If you bothered to read the entire thing I wrote you would see I clearly said she won the seat from a Liberal in 2019.

2- I didn't call that riding diehard, I said some ridings in BC are diehard conservative and will only vote

conservative, but did not say that riding was one such riding.

3- I said the riding might be, not is, words make a different.

Frankly those like you are why I would never vote Conservative, NDP all the way, only party who even comes close to being one that would do anything for those in my socio economic group.
I am sorry I did not read to the end. My bad. “People like you…” Do you really want to make it personal?
 
Old Sep 14th 2021 | 8:36 am
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I am sorry I did not read to the end. My bad. “People like you…” Do you really want to make it personal?
Are you 15 years old? I can understand political fervor but get a friggin' grip.
 
Old Sep 14th 2021 | 9:21 am
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Are you 15 years old? I can understand political fervor but get a friggin' grip.
I can't understand the fervour. O'Toole is positioning himself as a gateway Conservative, like Reagan or Thatcher. They promise to do something about the economy, by reversing Robin Hood, and, apart from some token anti-immigrant rhetoric don't say much about social policies. Once elected they shift socially right and set the frame for the likes of Trump and Johnson. I can understand someone thinking that they don't like Mr. Dress Up, holding their nose and voting Conservative (especially if they know the candidate from the Country Club), but who can get really enthusiastic about paying more tax to benefit the 1% and who (excepting Mike Harris and Pritti Patel) actually enjoys seeing more homeless people on the streets?
 
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Conservative Party for my socio economic group is bad and likely results in a decreased quality of life as they cut back on social service funding to the provinces who then cut back because less federal funding means cuts provincially.

Liberals don't really do anything either way, so neutral.

NDP has never formed government so hard to say, but provincially speaking, NDP skews to doing more for society as a whole, its not perfect, but the BC Liberals (aka conservatives in sheep's clothing) did nothing for 17 years, so NDP didn't have to do much to do more for the lower classes, and they have in many ways done quite a lot, buying old hotels for example to house homeless, but a province of 5 million doesn't have the tax base to tackle the housing problem alone, and it will take federal funding.

The problem in Canada with rental housing started in motion 30-35 years ago, not sure who was in power, but sometime in the late 1980's to early 1990's investment in social housing pretty much halted, private investment in rental buildings stopped in favor of condos, and now fast forward to 2021, and we have very old stock of rental housing and very new but small numbers of rental housing, but we have nothing in the middle, and the cheaper old stock of rental housing is mostly 4 story walk ups now being torn down for large towers mostly condos, but even when rentals rent for a hefty amount and those displaced from the old stock torn down, can't afford the rent in the replacement buildings.

Canada is past the point where private developers can build rental housing for those on the lower income spectrum, so that leaves only one viable option, the federal government and massive investment into social housing projects, preferably mixed use.

It's easy to just say move, but if everyone who can't afford Vancouver moved, you would be in a world of hurt as no city can function without the lower paid people doing all those jobs, some are even skilled or semi skilled, lots of support jobs in healthcare that pay far too low to afford Vancouver, but if you want proper healthcare services you need those people.




 
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Originally Posted by dbd33
I can't understand the fervour. O'Toole is positioning himself as a gateway Conservative, like Reagan or Thatcher. They promise to do something about the economy, by reversing Robin Hood, and, apart from some token anti-immigrant rhetoric don't say much about social policies. Once elected they shift socially right and set the frame for the likes of Trump and Johnson. I can understand someone thinking that they don't like Mr. Dress Up, holding their nose and voting Conservative (especially if they know the candidate from the Country Club), but who can get really enthusiastic about paying more tax to benefit the 1% and who (excepting Mike Harris and Pritti Patel) actually enjoys seeing more homeless people on the streets?
But they do talk about social policies, both long term and short (for the pandemic), promising to outspend the Liberals on a lot of things. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Old Sep 14th 2021 | 9:41 am
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Class warfare is a great idea. Works a treat. Every time. As a first step everyone should vote based on “class”.

 
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Originally Posted by Jsmth321
Conservative Party for my socio economic group is bad and likely results in a decreased quality of life as they cut back on social service funding to the provinces who then cut back because less federal funding means cuts provincially
This is a fairly broad definition, and I think the impact of a conservative federal government can be harder on low income, but any government has a job to do and a budget to keep. I believe it's important to have a good government, but equally important to have an effective opposition to keep them in check. There are a few possible combinations that could be the result here.
 
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But they do talk about social policies, both long term and short (for the pandemic), promising to outspend the Liberals on a lot of things. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
CPC promises are cheaper. They are promising to increase spending by $51B and LPC - by $78B. So 78 it will be and then some.
 
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Originally Posted by caretaker
This is a fairly broad definition, and I think the impact of a conservative federal government can be harder on low income, but any government has a job to do and a budget to keep. I believe it's important to have a good government, but equally important to have an effective opposition to keep them in check. There are a few possible combinations that could be the result here.

Different social economic groups view the parties and life in general differently, so nobody should be shocked that the difference exists.

In my experience social services, mental health and such tend to be some of the first things cut from budgets when conservatives want to cut taxes and balance the budget, so yeah I am very wary of any conservative leaning party.

Do you know if the cuts from a few years ago made to people on disability in SK were ever increased again?

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Originally Posted by Jsmth321
Different social economic groups view the parties and life in general differently, so nobody should be shocked that the difference exists.
In my experience social services, mental health and such tend to be some of the first things cut from budgets when conservatives want to cut taxes and balance the budget, so yeah I am very wary of any conservative leaning party.
Well, you were here for Harper.
Whoops, wifi cut out. Yes, that's the unfortunate stigma attached. I believe that if you could vote, you'd vote NDP, so you're ok in my books Jsmth321.

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Old Sep 14th 2021 | 10:32 am
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Services are always cut when the money runs out. Which it will in the not too distant future. Whoever is in power. That’s why the election is happening now, before it hits the fan. The more we binge-spend now, the tougher it will be. Inflation is the other side of the coin. When costs go up, as they are doing, the vulnerable suffer the most. Not excessively worried for the trust fund kids though.
 
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Well, you were here for Harper.
I was, we also had a BC Liberal government and nothing of note or benefitted occurred during that era for my economic group, oh wait Harper did refund 50% of my landing fee, but I can't think of much else he did of note that trickled down to my level.

I guess he cut GST but my largest monthly expense was always rent with is GST free, and 2nd largest was food and its pretty much GST free, at best there might be 10-20 cents of GST on our typical grocery bill.

It is what it is, politicians will politician just vote for who you prefer.

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Well, you were here for Harper.
Whoops, wifi cut out. Yes, that's the unfortunate stigma attached. I believe that if you could vote, you'd vote NDP, so you're ok in my books Jsmth321.
You would be correct.

I quite the NDP provincially in BC thus far, but honestly the BC Liberals especially the post what's his face (forgot his name, the guy before Clark) era, it was getting pretty corrupt towards the end there.

It really is futile to try and convince those not on the fence to vote differently, there is no amount of convincing any Republican for example could ever say to where I would vote for them, and if the Democracy wasn't tolerable, I would just write myself in now that I am eligible to be president as I am old enough now, but I would only get 1 vote. After the Trump era fiasco, its a party that no longer exists in my books.

Not sure if Canada allows write in's on the ballot.


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