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scrubbedexpat142 Dec 15th 2017 10:33 pm

Re: The country we left behind
 

Originally Posted by dave_j (Post 12400495)
I suspect you have a point. Elevating the police to become an arm of political policy, as it was during the miner's strike, will become, if it hasn't already, a necessary feature of governing a modern 'democracy'.

As it was during the General Strike of 1926.

Snowy560 Dec 16th 2017 8:03 am

Re: The country we left behind
 
There wouldn't have been a Brexit referendum if MT had been PM.

I'm no supporter of hers and I think "Brexit" is a religious cult like fantasy which is ruining the UK in my opinion, but the UK wouldn't be cutting off its nose to spite its face if there hadn't been a weak PM who wanted to settle a school boy squabble.

Partially discharged Dec 16th 2017 8:10 am

Re: The country we left behind
 

Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 12400445)
I wonder what the Brexit situation would have been like if Maggie was still PM:lol:

There again if you were a serving soldier or police officer in those days then the Iron Lady was a very good PM. Granted if you were a coal miner you saw her in a different light and yet these days we prattle on about climate change and the need to find alternatives to fossil fuels. Perhaps she was a visionary after all.

:goodpost: She tried to instill a much needed entrepreneurial spirit in the population. Sure she had a number of bad points but many of the champagne socialists on this board can only see her bad points and they seem to think that Corbyn is the messiah.

I agree with other posters in that if Maggie was still in power Brexit wouldn't have happened.

Many if not all politicians have good points and bad points and for myself, at least, when I do go to vote I try and see through the spin and dogma and I usually end up voting for those who I find least offensive. I deal with municipal (local) government daily in my job and the cronyism, short sighted thinking, and overall odious behaviour of most of those in power or wanting to be in power is very off putting to me. My wife says I don't have the patience or ability to not say what is really on my mind to last in an elected position.

Novocastrian Dec 16th 2017 8:11 am

Re: The country we left behind
 

Originally Posted by Snowy560 (Post 12400818)
There wouldn't have been a Brexit referendum if MT had been PM.

I'm no supporter of hers and I think "Brexit" is a religious cult like fantasy which is ruining the UK in my opinion, but the UK wouldn't be cutting off its nose to spite its face if there hadn't been a weak PM who wanted to settle a school boy squabble.

+1. I was going to reply in a similar vein. but suggesting that Maggie wan't pure evil is beyond me.

dave_j Dec 16th 2017 12:13 pm

Re: The country we left behind
 

Originally Posted by Partially discharged (Post 12400821)
Sure she had a numberr of bad points but many of the champagne socialists on this board can only see her bad points and they seem to think that Corbyn is the messiah.

Methinks I detect a little deliberate Trump-like misdirection here. Criticising Thatcher for her terrible policies does not automatically indicate that the critic is a Corbyn lover. The one does not follow from the other.

Snowy560 Dec 16th 2017 1:02 pm

Re: The country we left behind
 

Originally Posted by dave_j (Post 12400890)
Methinks I detect a little deliberate Trump-like misdirection here. Criticising Thatcher for her terrible policies does not automatically indicate that the critic is a Corbyn lover. The one does not follow from the other.

Exactly.

- Disliking/loving Thatcher
- Loving/disliking Corbyn
- Seeing Brexit as sheer lunacy / a Wonderful Thing

Are 3 separate issues. One does not necessarily lead to a particular view of any of the others.

bats Dec 17th 2017 2:22 am

Re: The country we left behind
 
I'm wondering where I get this champagne supply

Novocastrian Dec 17th 2017 2:28 am

Re: The country we left behind
 

Originally Posted by bats (Post 12401060)
I'm wondering where I get this champagne supply

I make an effort to live up to ignorant stereotypes and therefore have a couple of bottles of Piper-Heidsieck ready chilled in the fridge.

Pop on over and we can quaff it while singing the Red Flag and other Commie ditties.

caretaker Dec 17th 2017 5:28 am

Re: The country we left behind
 

Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 12401061)
I make an effort to live up to ignorant stereotypes and therefore have a couple of bottles of Piper-Heidsieck ready chilled in the fridge.

Pop on over and we can quaff it while singing the Red Flag and other Commie ditties.

And a schunkeln. Why go with half a load?

bats Dec 17th 2017 6:16 am

Re: The country we left behind
 

Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 12401061)
I make an effort to live up to ignorant stereotypes and therefore have a couple of bottles of Piper-Heidsieck ready chilled in the fridge.

Pop on over and we can quaff it while singing the Red Flag and other Commie ditties.

One day we will.

Novocastrian Dec 17th 2017 11:37 pm

Re: The country we left behind
 

Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 12401119)
And a schunkeln. Why go with half a load?

Champagne socialists don't drink from Steins. I'm told.

dbd33 Dec 18th 2017 12:03 am

Re: The country we left behind
 

Originally Posted by Snowy560 (Post 12400906)
Exactly.

- Disliking/loving Thatcher
- Loving/disliking Corbyn
- Seeing Brexit as sheer lunacy / a Wonderful Thing

Are 3 separate issues. One does not necessarily lead to a particular view of any of the others.

Personification of evil.
Ineffectual and misguided, an irrelevance.
It's a toss up with electing Trump, isn't it, for the stupidest act by an electorate since the second world war?

macadian Dec 18th 2017 12:17 am

Re: The country we left behind
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12401496)
Personification of evil.
Ineffectual and misguided, an irrelevance.
It's a toss up with electing Trump, isn't it, for the stupidest act by an electorate since the second world war?

Opinions are like arseholes, we all have one.....😎

dbd33 Dec 18th 2017 1:19 am

Re: The country we left behind
 

Originally Posted by macadian (Post 12401505)
Opinions are like arseholes, we all have one.....😎

I take it you disagree, do you see Jeremy Corbyn as being a swashbuckling man of action?

macadian Dec 18th 2017 2:39 am

Re: The country we left behind
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12401531)
I take it you disagree, do you see Jeremy Corbyn as being a swashbuckling man of action?

To be honest, I don't see him as being very much at all...and, yes, that is simply my opinion however, you did ask...😎


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