Coronavirus
Mar 30th 2021 | 2:27 pm
#4036
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Re: Coronavirus
Are hospitals carefully controlled?
The times I have gone over the last year lots of admin and support staff without masks on, when I had my CT done at the Kelowna hospital in October, the nurse who checked me in and did the IV wasn't wearing a mask. My wife had to go to the hospital for a psychiatrist consult in the ER a few weeks ago, not all staff wore masks, a good amount were not wearing masks.
The times I have gone over the last year lots of admin and support staff without masks on, when I had my CT done at the Kelowna hospital in October, the nurse who checked me in and did the IV wasn't wearing a mask. My wife had to go to the hospital for a psychiatrist consult in the ER a few weeks ago, not all staff wore masks, a good amount were not wearing masks.
My husband was in the ER here in Toronto 3 weeks ago. Everyone wore masks. Patients had to removed their own masks and wear hospital provided masks
Mar 30th 2021 | 4:22 pm
#4037
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Re: Coronavirus
Are hospitals carefully controlled?
The times I have gone over the last year lots of admin and support staff without masks on, when I had my CT done at the Kelowna hospital in October, the nurse who checked me in and did the IV wasn't wearing a mask. My wife had to go to the hospital for a psychiatrist consult in the ER a few weeks ago, not all staff wore masks, a good amount were not wearing masks.
The times I have gone over the last year lots of admin and support staff without masks on, when I had my CT done at the Kelowna hospital in October, the nurse who checked me in and did the IV wasn't wearing a mask. My wife had to go to the hospital for a psychiatrist consult in the ER a few weeks ago, not all staff wore masks, a good amount were not wearing masks.
My point was really that you "should" feel relatively safe in a medical facility compared to a restaurant.
Mar 30th 2021 | 10:01 pm
#4038
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Re: Coronavirus
Are hospitals carefully controlled?
The times I have gone over the last year lots of admin and support staff without masks on, when I had my CT done at the Kelowna hospital in October, the nurse who checked me in and did the IV wasn't wearing a mask. My wife had to go to the hospital for a psychiatrist consult in the ER a few weeks ago, not all staff wore masks, a good amount were not wearing masks.
The times I have gone over the last year lots of admin and support staff without masks on, when I had my CT done at the Kelowna hospital in October, the nurse who checked me in and did the IV wasn't wearing a mask. My wife had to go to the hospital for a psychiatrist consult in the ER a few weeks ago, not all staff wore masks, a good amount were not wearing masks.
Mar 31st 2021 | 12:01 am
#4039
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Re: Coronavirus
But we can all read these reports about just how bad things could be yet restaurants, pubs, coffee shops have all been open and under restricted seating/spacing for months now. Are we suggesting that these new cases are all coming from these places? I highly doubt it. Are we suggesting stores are ok because people are wearing masks? Yes could be the answer if EVERYONE wore a medical grade mask correctly at all times yet we see poorly constructed cloth coverings and even those mini face shields that cover bugger all. We have plane loads of passengers coming in with often poorly controlled quarantine and if they have been on a long haul flight how much time was spent with mask down taking drink/snack? I believe we touched on this a while back but 10% of your flight time with mask round chin sipping water and eating peanuts is of course only 6 minutes for an hours flight, its nearly an hour on a 9 hour transatlantic! I would rather take my chances in a nicely spaced restaurant than in a tightly packed aircraft. Currently they are saying there is over 2000 cases of the UK variant in BC, how did that get here? .
You said "Difficult to look at restaurants as an issue when so many other indoor places are open and functioning" and I contrasted the massive differences involved and now you're talking about where cases are coming from and packed aeroplanes.
I have seen numerous reports on local news about outbreaks and these have been, schools, hospitals, care homes, exposure on numerous flights but nothing from Restaurants
Of course you can't say "I got covid at 9.15 pm sitting in Burger King last Tuesday" anymore than someone can say "I got it at 10.15am in Walmart last week" but for something that is known to be more likely to pass in close proximity to a source for an extended period some places are more likely than others.
Mar 31st 2021 | 12:27 am
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Re: Coronavirus
Mar 31st 2021 | 12:33 am
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Re: Coronavirus
Interesting piece on CBC saying Canadian care home Covid performance was worst amongst advanced economies. And that Quebec was able to improve it's performance under the second wave but the Prairies had worse performance. Covid does seem to really feed off the public's complacency. Whenever it doesn't spread (through measures or pure luck) the local public assumes "can't see it, it's not there". I sometimes wonder how the public/authorities can be that deluded.
Mar 31st 2021 | 1:35 am
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Re: Coronavirus
Worth a look in terms of how much we seem to have underestimated Covid-19 transmission potential via aerosol spread. I'd be surprised if Australia was the only place to have gotten it wrong.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-...tudy/100039258
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-...tudy/100039258
Mar 31st 2021 | 1:55 am
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Re: Coronavirus
Worth a look in terms of how much we seem to have underestimated Covid-19 transmission potential via aerosol spread. I'd be surprised if Australia was the only place to have gotten it wrong.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-...tudy/100039258
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-...tudy/100039258
I don't think I'm especially well read but none of this seems new.There are a few figures in that report but essentially it's just confirmation of the kind of thing well reported in any decent newspaper or news resource over the past year. Even the daily mail has regularly covered stuff like it.
Here's one from August last year
More signs airborne coronavirus can infect you: Hospital discovers contagious virus particles floating 16 FEET away from patients
But a new study from the University of Florida has confirmed that these droplets don't just contain bits of genetic material, but are actually infectious.
Air samples collected from a hospital room found contagious virus particles between seven feet and 16 feet away from patients lying in their beds.
The latter is much greater distance than the six feet guidelines recommended by public health experts to help prevent the spread of COVID-19.
Air samples collected from a hospital room found contagious virus particles between seven feet and 16 feet away from patients lying in their beds.
The latter is much greater distance than the six feet guidelines recommended by public health experts to help prevent the spread of COVID-19.
Mar 31st 2021 | 1:55 am
#4044
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Re: Coronavirus
Worth a look in terms of how much we seem to have underestimated Covid-19 transmission potential via aerosol spread. I'd be surprised if Australia was the only place to have gotten it wrong.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-...tudy/100039258
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-...tudy/100039258
I guess I'll continue to get dirty looks from joggers when I move well out of their way.
Mar 31st 2021 | 3:05 am
#4045
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Re: Coronavirus
Surprised me, I had expected 100% mask compliance in a hospital but the times I have gone, many without masks, especially the admin workers doing the checking in and registration and such but at least some nurses (I assume they were nurses since they were putting an IV into me) don't wear masks at all times.
Heck even when I went to the urgent care that is doing COVID testing, all the admin workers doing the check in had no masks on working in close proximity to one another, the nurses doing the actual tests though had masks on.
I get why patients may have to take their masks off, but workers should 100% being wearing masks 100% of the time but that wasn't my experience in the times I have gone to the hospital or urgent care.
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Mar 31st 2021 | 3:40 am
#4046
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Re: Coronavirus
I was in hospital 9 days and everybody was masked up. Every time I go back to see the surgeon everyone is masked up, and I go to a physio clinic twice a week and everyone there is masked as well. They hired a young man just to take temps and ask covid screening questions at the door, and to wipe down the waiting room chairs between patients. Our lockdown of restaurants and bars has been extended from Apr 5 to Apr 12 in order to try to stem variants cases. There are exposures at restaurants and stores as seen in this bulletin. A part time cook at the Serbian Club tested positive so the 3 waitresses who had been picking up orders from him were sent home to self monitor.
Mar 31st 2021 | 9:26 am
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You do right , so blow the joggers.
Mar 31st 2021 | 9:28 am
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I don't think I'm especially well read but none of this seems new.There are a few figures in that report but essentially it's just confirmation of the kind of thing well reported in any decent newspaper or news resource over the past year. Even the daily mail has regularly covered stuff like it.
- Through controlled experimentation, it provides some quantification of the human production of aerosols in different contexts (e.g. coughing vs talking vs deep breathing)
- It provides fresh insight into which medical treatment contexts provide relatively greater or lesser Covid-19 aerosol transmission risks for front-line medical personnel
Mar 31st 2021 | 9:54 am
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