When I switch on the TV, I do not want to see this:



Or this:



No excuses for it. Ever.

Keane should have been prosecuted for that. It was assault, pure and simple.

I suggest you watch the TV footage - there were lots of people involved. Of course it's a handful that starts it - it always is. But that doesn't make this the work of "anarchists". I know that the local police and politico's will push that narrative over the coming days and weeks because it excuses their total fck up in handling this fiasco even though it was all too predictable by everybody. It will also make other local fans feel better because they won't believe it was people next door, or in the next block, or street as they'll convince themselves it was "outsiders".

It's all a crock. This was the work of a group of fans who like mayhem. Same as in football. They aren't anarchists - they are hooligans.

Any other interpretation is over thinking it.

Injuries are a part of sport. I don't like to see injuries, but as long as people are moving fast and competing there will be injuries, not sure what that has to do with fighting in hockey spawning violence outside the theater of play though. There is more than one hockey game a year. Surely Canada is no more violent a country than any other western nation.

Oh I watched the TV footage for about 3 hours last night. I even posted a couple of links on this site. I knew you would be blaming the police one way or another. lol.

I never said that it was solely "outsiders" either. I said that a group of "anarchists" ringleaders went into DT with a plan to incite a riot and take advantage of a situation. They went in prepared. They have done it before and will do it again. I have heard that the first car set fire belonged to the person who set it on fire, people starting chants and whipping the crowd into a frenzy, crowd psychology, etc. I am not declaring anyone innocent, but if these were purely hockey fans, it should be happening in every town and city in the country.

That tackle was a crime, premeditated revenge hit.

"The Irishman's tackle was recorded as a crime and both Keane and Haaland were interviewed. It was decided there was not enough evidence to prosecute the United captain.

Today, police promised to re-examine the evidence after the footballer's autobiography, in which Keane is reported to admit his tackle on Haaland was deliberate"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/303...nd-tackle.html

Some of them are intentional though, for example, in those two videos I posted the challenges were intended. The point I'm trying to make (in between cooking the chicken, DIYing and getting licked on the forehead by the dog when I asked her "do you know where the laser level is??") is that youngsters are impressionable and when they see stuff like that on TV they, some of them, will copy or reenact it.

The two are not comparable. Rome's hit was like a football defender making a late tackle. A foul, sometimes a sending off, and sometimes causing unintended injury.

Keane's was a premeditated and deliberate attempt to end a fellow professional's career.

Keane's out of control temper would rule him out from ever being a hockey player, however skillful he was.

I've always watched and taken part in violent sports from a young age and am really not violent at all.

Kids or people in general who re-enact the violence they watch in sports/games/movies are just arseholes and would no doubt do arsehole things whether they watch these hits on TV or not.

Premeditation has a history of getting you charged in the NHL too. Todd Bertuzzi.

I'm not blaming the police for the riot - I'm blaming them for botching the policing of the event. Or do you think they conducted a successful policing operation?

I know your political leanings well enough to know you won't be convinced that it's not some kind of anti state plot by anarchists (unless you are misunderstanding what anarchism actually is, in which case we probably actually agree). But they weren't purely hockey fans, they were hockey fans who also happen to like fighting and mayhem. Such people do exist and such people are very capable of planning things beforehand.

(and Canada does have a history of this kind of thing at major hockey events; somebody above posted a list of hockey riots)

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The fact that this happened before and that people were predicting it makes it even more senseless. There's a fire engine with a ****ing great water cannon at Vancouver airport. They should've set that upon the first looter and the whole crowd would have dispersed in no time. Those pathetic Vancouverite rioters would have peed themselves on a Poll Tax demo when it kicked off, I'm sure of it!

Ridiculous behaviour all round if you ask me. Thugs on the one side and pathetic crowd control on the other.

Thats me - my bad - Let daughter downtown . .

I think Novo posted a link that had 8 cases since 1955, mostly in Montreal, two in Vancouver and all of them involving large crowds. None in Winnipeg or Halifax or Toronto or Ottawa etc. Once again, I never said that the people downtown were non hockey fans. Most of the people who were gathered downtown were they to watch game 7. Out of those, most of them were standing around taking pictures and being part of the OMG moment. I didn't see many people over aged 30 in the riots crowds. I saw most people standing around taking pictures with a look at moi attitude. But make no mistake, the riot sparks were set in motion by people who wanted a riot regardless of the score or who won the game or if the game involved hockey or ping pong. I can throw on a Man U shirt, does that make me a football fan? The crowd that was gathered for the hockey game gave the anarchist "**** the police and authority and business types" the fuel to keep their fire going.

John Kordic. Professional ice hockey player. Famously uncontrolled temper.

Why? Isn't it more likely to happen either in the city where the game was or in the city of one of the competing teams?

Why would Montrealers riot if the match involved Vancouver?

None in those places because the game in question didn't involve those places I believe.