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Tangram Aug 12th 2011 3:13 am
Re: Annoying
 
Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 9555148)
This reminds me of the discussion in the opening scene of Reservoir Dogs.

But your arguement is still crap.

Restaurant owner agrees to pay staff better. The price of food get's raised to cover the cost. Now we all have to pay more......

Except service is now non-existant and now there is no incentive for the service to be better.

All the beutiful girls who used to serve me have been replaced by chubby unshaven people who don't give a crap. And suddenly it's like I'm back in the UK.......
Great minds.... See post #13

iaink Aug 12th 2011 3:16 am
Re: Annoying
 
Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 9555151)
That will explain why no one responds to me anymore :huh:

When did you start telling people to do that?
looooooooooooong time ago;)

Gremmie Aug 12th 2011 3:20 am
Re: Annoying
 
Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 9555148)
This reminds me of the discussion in the opening scene of Reservoir Dogs.

But your arguement is still crap.

Restaurant owner agrees to pay staff better. The price of food get's raised to cover the cost. Now we all have to pay more......

Except service is now non-existant and now there is no incentive for the service to be better.

All the beutiful girls who used to serve me have been replaced by chubby unshaven people who don't give a crap. And suddenly it's like I'm back in the UK.......
So basicly restuarant servers are no better than dogs that only do as they should if given a treat:eek: They obviously take no pride in their job and are vindictive to customers that dont tip !!! I guess I and others should try that in my proffesion, tip me and all my drivers if not no one is going to get any thing in all of North America:huh::huh:

dbd33 Aug 12th 2011 3:25 am
Re: Annoying
 
Originally Posted by Gremmie (Post 9555179)
So basicly restuarant servers are no better than dogs that only do as they should if given a treat:eek:
Yes, that's how the working world operates. It's the fundamental building block of capitalism.

Originally Posted by Gremmie (Post 9555179)
They obviously take no pride in their job
That doesn't follow, people make take pride in their jobs and yet still want paying to do them. One might argue that a display of pride deserves greater reward.

Originally Posted by Gremmie (Post 9555179)
and are vindictive to customers that dont tip !!!
Of course. If you deliver a van load of turnips and are not paid for doing so you'll also be vindictive, to the extent of not wanting to take turnips to that place again.

Originally Posted by Gremmie (Post 9555179)
I guess I and others should try that in my proffesion, tip me and all my drivers if not no one is going to get any thing in all of North America:huh::huh:
That's been done before. But you're not Jimmy Hoffa.

iaink Aug 12th 2011 3:32 am
Re: Annoying
 
It is what it is, its accepted that service jobs in restaurants are not well paid and that tipping makes a difference.

You may not like that and may think that servers, bus boys, veg preppers etc etc should all be paid a living wage up front and not need tips, and you may or may not have a point, but the point is the business does not operate in that way, and you not tipping to make some point is not going to change anything, its just going to hurt the very people you would like to help by changing the way the pay system works...

So dont be a cheapskate, pay a decent tip! Im one of the tightest men alive, and I tip.

Truckers who may get $20+ an hour and bring home $50k+ a year or more are not really a valid comparison to minimum / low wage servers.

JamesM Aug 12th 2011 3:36 am
Re: Annoying
 
Originally Posted by Tangram (Post 9555173)
Great minds.... See post #13
From afar Tangram I have always quietly admired your intellect.....

Gremmie Aug 12th 2011 3:56 am
Re: Annoying
 
Originally Posted by iaink (Post 9555203)
It is what it is, its accepted that service jobs in restaurants are not well paid and that tipping makes a difference.

You may not like that and may think that servers, bus boys, veg preppers etc etc should all be paid a living wage up front and not need tips, and you may or may not have a point, but the point is the business does not operate in that way, and you not tipping to make some point is not going to change anything, its just going to hurt the very people you would like to help by changing the way the pay system works...

So dont be a cheapskate, pay a decent tip! Im one of the tightest men alive, and I tip.

Truckers who may get $20+ an hour and bring home $50k+ a year or more are not really a valid comparison to minimum / low wage servers.
To get that wage you quote they have to drive about 144000 miles a year be away from home for 80% of the year sleeping in a 6'x8'x6' box and work on average 75 hours a week, so a tip now and then would not hurt. So the in real terms a trucker gets less than a server, dont you think:blink:

iaink Aug 12th 2011 4:02 am
Re: Annoying
 
Originally Posted by Gremmie (Post 9555247)
To get that wage you quote they have to drive about 144000 miles a year be away from home for 80% of the year sleeping in a 6'x8'x6' box and work on average 75 hours a week, so a tip now and then would not hurt. So the in real terms a trucker gets less than a server, dont you think:blink:
No one holds a gun to their head and makes them do it. In most of canada $20 an hour is not a bad wage, and thats the attraction of the job I imagine. Beats getting minimum wage and having to smile and be nice to arseholes in order to get the tips needed to make ends meet. Neither is for me though thank god.

Gremmie Aug 12th 2011 4:11 am
Re: Annoying
 
Originally Posted by iaink (Post 9555257)
No one holds a gun to their head and makes them do it. In most of canada $20 an hour is not a bad wage, and thats the attraction of the job I imagine. Beats getting minimum wage and having to smile and be nice to arseholes in order to get the tips needed to make ends meet. Neither is for me though thank god.
That a daily occurance as a trucker at every delivery point, or with the DOT and cops. And the hourly rate for a trucker when all is added to gether is barley $15. No one holds a gun to a waiters head either, but they get the tips just for remembering what you want to eat and carrying it 10 paces.

Tangram Aug 12th 2011 4:14 am
Re: Annoying
 
Originally Posted by iaink (Post 9555257)
No one holds a gun to their head and makes them do it. In most of canada $20 an hour is not a bad wage, and thats the attraction of the job I imagine. Beats getting minimum wage and having to smile and be nice to arseholes in order to get the tips needed to make ends meet. Neither is for me though thank god.
Well put.

iaink Aug 12th 2011 4:20 am
Re: Annoying
 
Originally Posted by Gremmie (Post 9555274)
That a daily occurance as a trucker at every delivery point, or with the DOT and cops. And the hourly rate for a trucker when all is added to gether is barley $15. No one holds a gun to a waiters head either, but they get the tips just for remembering what you want to eat and carrying it 10 paces.
The difference is that those choosing to be servers know and accept that tipping is going to be part of the wage, its part of the decision making process in taking on that job. Just as truckers know they are not going to get tips. If truckers are only getting $15 an hour that's a bit shit really isnt it! (Montreal seems to be the place to be!) There are several truck driving schools around me and they all advertise the good wages available on the big trucks that drive ponderously around the industrial estate.

There is more to doing front of house than remembering the order and carrying the food anyway, and you also need to consider that in most places the serving staff tips get divvied up with the back of house workers too.

Gremmie Aug 12th 2011 5:04 am
Re: Annoying
 
Originally Posted by iaink (Post 9555291)
The difference is that those choosing to be servers know and accept that tipping is going to be part of the wage, its part of the decision making process in taking on that job. Just as truckers know they are not going to get tips. If truckers are only getting $15 an hour that's a bit shit really isnt it! (Montreal seems to be the place to be!) There are several truck driving schools around me and they all advertise the good wages available on the big trucks that drive ponderously around the industrial estate.

There is more to doing front of house than remembering the order and carrying the food anyway, and you also need to consider that in most places the serving staff tips get divvied up with the back of house workers too.
From your link ( Assuming an average working week of 36 hours,) thats one wild and wooly assumption:rofl::rofl::rofl:

iaink Aug 12th 2011 5:21 am
Re: Annoying
 
Originally Posted by Gremmie (Post 9555357)
From your link ( Assuming an average working week of 36 hours,) thats one wild and wooly assumption:rofl::rofl::rofl:
What is? That drivers are not going to make anything from tips? It seems safe enough to me:huh:

Gremmie Aug 12th 2011 5:27 am
Re: Annoying
 
Originally Posted by iaink (Post 9555377)
What is? That drivers are not going to make anything from tips? It seems safe enough to me:huh:
No that the link assumes they work only 36 hours a week, when in reality its 60 upwards, which halves their hourly rate.:thumbdown:

iaink Aug 12th 2011 5:44 am
Re: Annoying
 
Originally Posted by Gremmie (Post 9555383)
No that the link assumes they work only 36 hours a week, when in reality its 60 upwards, which halves their hourly rate.:thumbdown:
Or doubles their take home pay. Are drivers paid salary, or by the hour?

Dont think anyone full time in canada only does 36 hrs a week do they?


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