Yes, I know about the charities who did a great deal of good work (apart from those who made conversion to Christianity a requisite!)
I asked Morpeth if he had heard of Annie Besant ---no reply!!

EMR---think about the population of millions, the multiple remote villages!!!!! How many were treated by British doctors??? Think about the famines.

As I said modern medicine was not brought to the "MASSES" during British rule, it was brought to the very poor of the larger cities in 1920s-30s because of Indian doctors accepted into colleges.

EMR I was there in the 1960s in Mumbai----I knew retired and elderly Indian doctors who HAD worked in the malaria hospitals for example etc. before independence. OH worked in one such, in the 1960s. Even then it was mainly the city poor who were treated in those hospitals, the remote villagers had no means of travel.

'Occupied /ruled' are you able to comprehend what that means????
If they were not "ruled" why the difficulty in getting independence???

You are the one rambling because of lack of knowledge--- WERE you there?????--
Nobody has said British were like Nazis or Soviets!

I have frequently TOLD you that 'on the ground' there were often good relationships within the boundaries of 'natives' and British. It was the British Government who ruled and (that included their own nationals!!)

The above are FACTs -----EMR----I think anyone reading your praise for the British would describe you as pro-Empire. Why should the British have been there well into the 20th century?

Another irrelevant post. If there were indian doctors training others before independence that doesnt negate the difficult british medical personnel had in training local medical personnel. And as I said it was just anecdotal observations supported by a few staff reports i read.

no one said the masses had access to modern medical care.

As usual Bipat cannot admit reality in anyway except to try to downplay the benefits received. The modern medical care India has certainly had its foundation from the time of rule by the British.

Bipat talks about an Indian surgeon training other doctors, but without the British India would not have had modern medicine and training facilities. I

It is hard to consider that Bipat is in the slightest bit objective, or well-read on the History of Medicine or India for that matter.

EMR has posted about the British bringing modern medical aid to ' millions'.
Yes as you said a "few" staff reports.

Of course millions, just research the mass vaccination campaigns, etc. which date from the early 19th century onwards.
Have you read any of the multiple histories discussing the introduction of modern medicine to India.
Somehow I doubt it,.
Google is not your friend is it, .
You have always ignored facts and recorded history if they conflict with your views and prejudices..

Yes modern medical care had its origin during British rule----can you not understand that all countries had the beginnings of modern medical care during that time?

I have said that the British rulers were good enough to 'share' it. With their colony inhabitants.

I mentioned one surgeon as an "example'----his research and treatments are known world-wide!!! By anyone with any knowledge of obstetrics.

Well read on the history of medicine?? Four generations of medics in India and UK --our families were involved in it.

If you were well read on the history of modern medicine in India , this particular discussion would have ended long ago..

Many countries were involved in vaccine research.
https://www.researchgate.net/publica...ation_in_India

A brief history of vaccination | Immunisation Advisory Centre

Can you explain how a country ruled as a colony could have done/ been allowed to do any research itself.

My views are based on the reality of knowing those who were actually there and involved in the actual use of medical advances.

Try harder, The British started mass vaccination in India in the early 19th century.
As you have posted some many times your views are not based on recorded facts, research but folk memories..
Infirm us, in pre British rule times in India where and who were the contempories of Jenner, Lister and many others..

I have put a better links for you.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4078488/

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccin...f-vaccination/


History of Medicine with special reference to India - Prof H. Roy


My views are based on recorded facts. All personnel working and doing research in Indian hospitals had their time there recorded.

Mine are based on fact and recorded history.

I have just given you links to recorded history.

I pointed out that all the views I have given you are documented in 'records'.

The FACT is EMR you have spent 3 weeks as a tourist in 2018 and now consider yourself an expert on the last 200 years of history!!!

(The crazy thing is EMR you give non-stop unconditional praise for the British in India and---you STILL claim that you are not pro-Empire!! )


Back to topic: ---- of 'Wars'----It seems that Pakistan is listening to the International Community----hopefully all is settled and they will actually do something about terrorists on their soil.

We were about to cancel our booked May trip to Srinagar, so will now wait and see!!

For a start you have not put links that contradict the fact that the British started vaccinations programs that started in the early 19th century in India.
The rest is your usual waffle and diversion, I only read a little before realising what they are...
There is no unconditional praise, but facts that contradict your bias and prejudice,
If you only discussed facts every discussion on every thread , that everyone has with you would only last a fraction of the time they do.


Pakistan is winning the PR battle with release of the pilot and the tone from Imran khan
BBC news reports showing both sides firing on each on each other over the disputed border.
1 plane each shot down.

Our INDIAN travel agent has cancelled all trips to Jammu, Kashmir,and the border areas.
A number of airports in the north have restriction on civilian flights..

So the links giving historical facts you don't like are "waffle"?
Your FACTS are from the book of your own personal choice.
"Every one"---you mean you and Morpeth. Both of you bias personified!!


PR battle!!!!!!? I think you mean 'face saving'.

I presume you know about the terrorist attack at Pulwama, 40 killed, many injured.
The condemnation by world countries, the Paris Conference on terror financing.


https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/fatf-to-keep-working-with-
pakistan-to-curb-terrorism-financing/articleshow/68110929.cms

India then attacked the terrorist training camp (in a forest).

Pakistan then bombed Indian miltary installations using planes provided by Obama, only to be used with USA permission and specifically for use against terrorists.

The 'dog fight' led to the crash and capture of the Indian pilot.
Pakistan have already broken the Geneva Convention by beating him up.

China and Saudi have investment in Pakistan, they and others have had a 'word'. Imran Khan's main problem is any control over the Pakistan army----he can be got rid of---as previous PMs.
I suggest you watch NDTV. Remember it is a Congress funded channel , so they are not pro-government biased.

I think the airport closures are reversed now. We don't use an 'agent'. Book flights with airline. Can cancel or postpone.
We will be going back anyway in May, so will see the situation then.

Beat him up, I assume that is just Indian propaganda and nothing to do with being shot down., ejecting from a crashing plane,, you will believe anything Bipat...

If India did not occupy Kashmir there would be no terrorist activity , activity that has been going on in one way or another since 1947..