Morpeth------in your above post you state "thousands of years of Indian culture and history"-------yet I presume you then join with EMR in calling it a "lie" that India existed before the British came. Just because 'Indian' is a foreign word.
You accept that "India"/"Bharat existed and became in 1950---Bharat Ganarajya.

Morpeth you describe any difference of opinion from yourself as 'no-factual'/'illogical' -----I might have a word for that (English!!!!) but will refrain from using it!!!

Where do we start, Empire loyalist, supporter of the British Empire, claim Bharat did not exist,,, anti Indian..
Just a few of your lies.
The invasion of Goa, occupation of Kashmir, , just two examples of your denial of facts.
The day is probably not long enough to list every example of your denials of fact and recorded history.

Well EMR ---your posts praise the British in India, even argue whether they had guns?
You support the British and Portuguese occupation of India! (You never mention Daman and Diu!
Do you dispute that?

"Invasion"----also called a "rescue". EMR it is the past and present history of our family, is that also a 'lie'?

You claimed that 'Bharat' was an ancient term no longer used. You can be forgiven for not knowing languages but at least accept the explanation of others. (Also on other thread)

Occupation of Kashmir? it was legally acceded.
The people have voted for the Status Quo.
You don't even mention the atrocity that happened a few days ago.
(The irony was that Mehbooba was actually encouraging Pandits to return----as if they would!!)

There you go again with your misinformation yes lies..
Bharat was an ancient hindhu empire as relevant to the Indian state of today as that of every other ancient civilisation.
The concept of Bharat an ancient Hindh empire excludes the 100s millions of the citizens of the modern stare of India.who are not Hindu or descended from those who inhabited the area controlled by that ancient empire ...
It is as relevant to modern India as is the Roman Empire to the UK..
I do not see the people's of the middle East claiming to be Hittite, Assyrian, Summarian..,
.It is becoming a devisive concept for Hindhu nationalists.

The attack on the security forces was not an atrocity, a tragedy yes.
There is no point discussing why these events are happening because you do not accept recorded history...

I've not read this thread for ages so let me guess... bipat is defending India as some kind of middle income utopia with no poverty while saying how shit her homeland is /or blaming them for any horrors in India, while everyone else is stating facts that clearly show the opposite.

I think bipat might be Shamima Begum

EMR------Bharat is the 'word' for India -it always has been---continuously ----it is the here and now!!!!! As you correctly said "India" is a foreign word!!!! they are 'words' .
EMR!!! learn some languages!!

Kashmir------so you apparently refuse to call terrorist activity an 'atrocity'!! The group responsible has admitted it.

Recorded history??? Present day votes don't count with you then?? The election is in the next few weeks. I presume you will look at the results.
As you say not something to discuss on BE -------too serious!
We have planned to be in Srinagar in May

I know about the poverty in India -----it is home ------so we live (have lived) with poor people not just read about it.

British rule was responsible for much horror due to their occupation there for their own advantage------India has also inherited much good from British rule.

Bharat was an ancient Hindhu civilisation , look it up.
So now India has not always been India but now it is Bharat , , ?
If we agree that terrorist activity is an atrocity, so is the shooting down of unarmed civilians, men, women children , the rapes of Muslim women by the Indian army .
So now you agree that the Indian army is just as guilty of atrocities,. ..

EMR how to get through to you???? Bharat was the name of the ancient civilisation of 'India' AND----it has ALWAYS HAS BEEN and still is the name of the entity known as 'India'.
Just like Britain was the name of the ancient civilisation and it is still he name of the present civilisation!!!!

The Indian army has committed offences ----they have not surprisingly been exaggerated by their opponents. Certain statistic gatherers do not accept this. The separatists and those from over the border mix in with civilians. Yes, the army should resist firing then.
Presume you remember the Mumbai and Pune bombings?

The army would not be there but for the terrorism and incursions.
What happened to the opposition PM when he tried to have talks-----we will see what the present puppet PMs reaction is!

Bipat, you may wish to read both my posts and EMR's a bit more closely. EMR has specifically ( as I have) identified that the political entity of current India did not exist pre-1947. I also mentioned that there was/is an overall Indian culture on the subcontinent, and that there have bene various foreign invaders , that there are differences within the overall culture.

This point has ben made numerous times, yet as usual you do not let facts get in the way of your patriotism and defense of the use of armed force by Indians- but bad to be used by everyone else..

One day you will read a history book and not ignore the facts within it..
So the actions of the Indian army, their atrocities confirmed by the UN and human rights groups across the world have been exaggerated.
What a surprise that you should disagree with eye witness reports,..
Your justification of the Indian armies actions is no different than that of Dyers when he ordered his Indian army troops to shoot down civilians in Amritsar..

India certainly does take responsibility for its future. The past is hardly mentioned except as a 'shared history'.
The British were there for a century ----who else were responsible for that part of the past??

EMR, I have accepted that the Indian army has committed atrocities. (Which army hasn't!).
EMR you apparently approve of terrorism-----read about the country that is responsible for most terrorism!!!
EMR----one day you will go to Kashmir and learn something.

The history of the sub continent goes back at least two thousand years.
A history of invasion after invasion, huge ethnic and religious changes.
Millions killed in wars, natural disasters and famines, even during the Bharat empire., and long before the British arrived .
But of course only the period of British rule had more negatives than positives in Bipat world.
You can tell that Bipat was never a student of history ...