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pokerface Aug 20th 2008 1:29 am

Re: paperbased applications thread
 

Originally Posted by jemlei (Post 6697458)
I cant believe your agents did not go with the online application since it is their jobs to do their very best to make things swift.
My fiance and i did not use agents. we did paperbased on our own since 136 then was still paper based.
Dont listen when they say these sites are not useful cause it kept us going.
it's almost good to know what's going on.

Like Jaq4chop we too are using Visa Bureau who we have found excellent so far. I wish they had done online purely so we can track ourselves. I have to disagree with you saying it is the agents job to do their best to make things swift. Their job is to ensure your application is complete with little or no errors and to avoid being asked for additional information which would inevitably delay your application. From some timelines (which are all different cases) paperbased are on average 3 months longer than online. Just gives you 3 months extra to sell your house :eek:

jemlei Aug 20th 2008 1:32 am

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good for you. we're happy we did things on our own. our friends at dimia advised at us to do so:)good luck everyone.i think things are picking up now:)


Originally Posted by pokerface (Post 6697511)
Like Jaq4chop we too are using Visa Bureau who we have found excellent so far. I wish they had done online purely so we can track ourselves. I have to disagree with you saying it is the agents job to do their best to make things swift. Their job is to ensure your application is complete with little or no errors and to avoid being asked for additional information which would inevitably delay your application. From some timelines (which are all different cases) paperbased are on average 3 months longer than online. Just gives you 3 months extra to sell your house :eek:


jaq4chop Aug 20th 2008 1:37 am

Re: paperbased applications thread
 

Originally Posted by pokerface (Post 6697511)
Like Jaq4chop we too are using Visa Bureau who we have found excellent so far. I wish they had done online purely so we can track ourselves. I have to disagree with you saying it is the agents job to do their best to make things swift. Their job is to ensure your application is complete with little or no errors and to avoid being asked for additional information which would inevitably delay your application. From some timelines (which are all different cases) paperbased are on average 3 months longer than online. Just gives you 3 months extra to sell your house :eek:

Hi Pokerface,

I have found them to be excellent too. She put up with me very cheerfully when it comes to silly questions, flashes of paranoia & the odd grumble about how long it takes.
What visa are you going for? We are 175 PR & heading for Melbourne hopefully soon. We originally thought we would get the visa October ish but things have gone so slow, we still hope to be out there this year.
Where are you heading to?
good luck

jaq4chop Aug 20th 2008 1:40 am

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Don't know how much mooching about you guys are all doing but I have just seen that an April applicant has a CO (online of course)

Very pleased for them but very envious as we applied in April too.

Ho hum,

pokerface Aug 20th 2008 2:00 am

Re: paperbased applications thread
 

Originally Posted by jaq4chop (Post 6697542)
Hi Pokerface,

I have found them to be excellent too. She put up with me very cheerfully when it comes to silly questions, flashes of paranoia & the odd grumble about how long it takes.
What visa are you going for? We are 175 PR & heading for Melbourne hopefully soon. We originally thought we would get the visa October ish but things have gone so slow, we still hope to be out there this year.
Where are you heading to?
good luck

Hi
we are going on a 176 STNI to Perth. We too were hoping Nov/Dec, we applied in May. I know it is slow & frustarting, I think I'm going mad sometimes checking emails & poking about on this site (hence my login name). I dont post much but read almost everyday. Our agent also said these sites are full of useful info but some of the Iimmigration stuff is quite misleading & not to read to much into it as everybody's case is different. Both me and my OH are almost 45 thats why we have gone for the 176 which was the quickest route for us. I was thinking of getting meds done before we are asked but not too sure. No hurry though as it looks like the house will take forever to sell, it's been on the marker over 2 months now without a single viewer!!! Whats wrong with people it's a buyer market:eek:

sharkiebites Aug 20th 2008 6:31 am

Re: paperbased applications thread
 

Originally Posted by jaq4chop (Post 6697418)
Hi everyone,

We are using an agent too (VisaBureau) who said that the online system has so many problems & it takes so long to attach everything they find paper applications are less troublesome.
I suspect now that they don't want an agent tied up attaching all the documents.............

She said forums are good for info when you get there but to ignore timelines as every application is different. This agree with to a certain extent, different visas applied for, medical circumstances, more info required the list goes on. However there must be some genuine comparisons to make. the beupdate wbsite proves that.

I was also advised not to go for medicals or get police checks done until a caseworker had contacted us to say go for them. I have decided I know better............ Meds booked for 2 Sep. I am going for the theory that if when the ever elusive case officer picks up our file if everything is there & in order we will go straight to visa granted. Everything crossed.....

We are in a slightly easier position in selling up as we live on a boat so don't have the same credit crunch house selling to go through & can be ready to go in a couple of weeks if the visa does still take ages.

All the best laid plans though.


hey jac4chop
im with visa bureau too, so we are verry much the same (april, paperbased,and visa agents) yep ive found them very helpful and useful as i hate forms and paperwork . but why o why didnt they give us a choice of online :curse:
i sent a letter of complaint and just got a reply ,nothing helpful or anything i didnt no, telling me why they take so much longer and there still at september the bloody 19th.
Its not that im complaining about they just need to give us hope and keep up with the online ,they are just getting further and further behind, the more who complain the more chance they have of doing something

chris:curse:

Gina 2 Aug 20th 2008 6:38 am

Re: paperbased applications thread
 

Originally Posted by sharkiebites (Post 6698337)
hey jac4chop
im with visa bureau too, so we are verry much the same (april, paperbased,and visa agents) yep ive found them very helpful and useful as i hate forms and paperwork . but why o why didnt they give us a choice of online :curse:
i sent a letter of complaint and just got a reply ,nothing helpful or anything i didnt no, telling me why they take so much longer and there still at september the bloody 19th.
Its not that im complaining about they just need to give us hope and keep up with the online ,they are just getting further and further behind, the more who complain the more chance they have of doing something

chris:curse:

Hi Chris and others,

Totally agree, we used agents for a visa 176, it would have been great
to have been given the option of online vs paperbased, however our agents just did it via paperbase, we are Feb applicants and see now that April applicants are getting visa's granted. It really is not fair and the case officers should be assessing the cases on the date that they are lodged regardless of paperbase or online!

Keep us posted if you get any updates!

All the best,

Gina.

sharkiebites Aug 20th 2008 7:14 am

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hi all
this is my reply from the processing centre !!! ive sent another one back saying all i want is to keep up with bloody online, and stop the ever increasing gap and process visas on a months worth of visa s every month !?

thats me back to the bottom of the pile :(


Dear Mr Beaumont, Thank you for your feedback received on 14/08/2008 which has been referred to me for follow up and reply. The email address provided has not been authorised to receive communication however I can provide you with general information. You have raised a concern that certain applications for General Skilled Migration are being processed out of date of lodgement order and that this is adversely impacting your application. I would just like to take the opportunity to clarify the processing arrangements under which we operate in the ASPC. Applications are dealt with in the date order that completed applications are received. I can advise that generally, E-lodged applications will be processed more quickly than applications lodged by paper. The reason for this is that applications lodged electronically avoid the resource intensive stages of manual receipt of the application, data entry onto computer systems and verification checks. Prior to an E-lodged application being accepted, a number of validity checks have already been completed, credit card details confirmed, bridging visas automatically granted and payment verified. E-lodged applications also require the completion of online checklists directing clients to attach the necessary supporting documentation. Applications that are lodged electronically are essentially delivered to case officers in a fully complete and assessment ready format. The same does not apply to applications lodged by paper, which are required to undergo verification checks and registration tasks as well as document checks and a separate process for the grant of a bridging visa before a determination can be made that they are complete. This does result in time differentials in assessment of these cases. Paper applications however, are allocated for processing in date order as soon as possible after the necessary checks are complete. We are currently assessing paper lodged applications lodged on 19/9/2007. I hope that this information is of assistance. Yours Sincerely, Sarah Williams Adelaide Skilled Processing Centre

jaq4chop Aug 20th 2008 7:31 am

Re: paperbased applications thread
 
Hi everyone,

I totally agree with Gina, they should be done in date order. In fairness to Visa Bureau, when we first got the ball rolling in Otober last year they did tell us it would be a paper appliation as the online system had problems. As they had only just started acepting 175 visas on line (& having worked in IT) I would probably have done the same. However after Vetassess having their teething problems too, my husbands practical test was delayed from Dec 07 to Feb 08 & eventually happened in April 08 it would have been nie to be given the option. Or even to have filed the paper application last year & added the vetassess at a later date.

I am still hanging on to a desparate hope that we can be out there this year. Maybe foolish optimism or perhaps a psychic inclination....................

One thing that I do keep thinking is that so many people apply online as it is more convenient for most, in theory (famous last words) there are less paper applications going in and as the back log is cleared they should start to go through quicker.

jaq4chop Aug 20th 2008 7:41 am

Re: paperbased applications thread
 

Originally Posted by sharkiebites (Post 6698457)
hi all
this is my reply from the processing centre !!! ive sent another one back saying all i want is to keep up with bloody online, and stop the ever increasing gap and process visas on a months worth of visa s every month !?

thats me back to the bottom of the pile :(


Dear Mr Beaumont, Thank you for your feedback received on 14/08/2008 which has been referred to me for follow up and reply. The email address provided has not been authorised to receive communication however I can provide you with general information. You have raised a concern that certain applications for General Skilled Migration are being processed out of date of lodgement order and that this is adversely impacting your application. I would just like to take the opportunity to clarify the processing arrangements under which we operate in the ASPC. Applications are dealt with in the date order that completed applications are received. I can advise that generally, E-lodged applications will be processed more quickly than applications lodged by paper. The reason for this is that applications lodged electronically avoid the resource intensive stages of manual receipt of the application, data entry onto computer systems and verification checks. Prior to an E-lodged application being accepted, a number of validity checks have already been completed, credit card details confirmed, bridging visas automatically granted and payment verified. E-lodged applications also require the completion of online checklists directing clients to attach the necessary supporting documentation. Applications that are lodged electronically are essentially delivered to case officers in a fully complete and assessment ready format. The same does not apply to applications lodged by paper, which are required to undergo verification checks and registration tasks as well as document checks and a separate process for the grant of a bridging visa before a determination can be made that they are complete. This does result in time differentials in assessment of these cases. Paper applications however, are allocated for processing in date order as soon as possible after the necessary checks are complete. We are currently assessing paper lodged applications lodged on 19/9/2007. I hope that this information is of assistance. Yours Sincerely, Sarah Williams Adelaide Skilled Processing Centre


Hi Chris,
I am sure Sarah Williams is lovely lady but I would like to poke her with a stick!!! Actually as you are at the bottom of the pile anyway, I'd like you to do it.:rofl:

LouB Aug 20th 2008 10:07 am

Re: paperbased applications thread
 
Dear all.....
can't actually say individual thankyous for your replies as have just returned from leaving party for long loved colleaugue. Spent evening telling people that I really was planning to go to Australlia and that I wasn't really having them on on having spent the last 18 months convincing them I had the balls to go. Unfortunately for you , was consuming a bottle of Pinot Grigio (yes. I realise this is spent wrongly, I am a member of a wine club for christs sake!!!) during the explaination followed by a couple of pints of local bitter and then 2 vodka and cokes (diet) cos I am stil 1 of the girls and hence absolutely blasted at present time.
Think they believe me now and have spent today looking anguished and telling them I have looked 'to the forum' which tels me I am on the floor in Adelaide with 6,999 other applicants but the government are looking into it and I may actually get a case officer by December in accordance with general timelines.
Anyway.... I ave returned from the pub and am sad enough to have COME HERE!!!!! What does that say? Am totally taken over with this whole process and although this has taken you 20 seconds to read I am usualy so polite it has taken me 20 minutes to correct the drunken grammar and spelings!
Anyway (again) the real reason I am here is to say I am not giving up and that after posting my previous post I wrote to my future hospital manager. She told me I must have ESP and that she was thinking of me. She also said keep in touch and don't wrry.
To all of you who replied, thanks and hope we get there son, sorry to moan and in true sloshed girly style ' I love you!!!'
Best of luck. Lou :lol:

.

maroonedNZ Aug 20th 2008 12:53 pm

Re: paperbased applications thread
 

Originally Posted by Bag End Bunch (Post 6696744)
Totally agree with the above posts, especially LouB and Liz F. I am about going spare with frustration and the knowledge that if only my agent had applied online I would have the visa by now is gnawing away at me and making me even madder!! :curse:

I am wondering what we paid the agent for - you think you're paying so you get the best possible service in getting the visa but as Liz F says I feel I know more about it than she does. The last time I spoketo her she still maintained that paper apps were taking about the same time as online! (hollow and hysterical laughter!!!) She advised me to stay off the forums as they aren't helpful!!!
Apart from a mini flurry last week there has been hardly any movement on paper apps at all. Please Maroonednz tell me again that IT IS REAL!!!

Sorry to let off steam on here but my poor husband is just as frustrated and we're making each other depressed -aren't we a couple of saddos!!

Anyway - I have had my say now so I do feel a bit calmer.

On another note - well done to the recent visas/co! :thumbsup:

Alex

MATE! Hang in there. I agree with everyone who's already said they feel they are more informed than their agents, and also that this website is a godsend. I would have been deported due to complete and utter INSANITY by now if it wasn't for this forum! I can't believe the cheeky **** told you to stay off the forums! Don't want to be exposed as cowboys I reckon :eek:

I still don't think we should rule out the parachute/Papua New Guinea/kayak option. Alternatively Alex, we could get married in California and you could come over as my spouse :rofl:

pokerface Aug 20th 2008 8:05 pm

Re: paperbased applications thread
 

Originally Posted by jaq4chop (Post 6698492)
Hi everyone,

I totally agree with Gina, they should be done in date order. In fairness to Visa Bureau, when we first got the ball rolling in Otober last year they did tell us it would be a paper appliation as the online system had problems. As they had only just started acepting 175 visas on line (& having worked in IT) I would probably have done the same. However after Vetassess having their teething problems too, my husbands practical test was delayed from Dec 07 to Feb 08 & eventually happened in April 08 it would have been nie to be given the option. Or even to have filed the paper application last year & added the vetassess at a later date.

I am still hanging on to a desparate hope that we can be out there this year. Maybe foolish optimism or perhaps a psychic inclination....................

One thing that I do keep thinking is that so many people apply online as it is more convenient for most, in theory (famous last words) there are less paper applications going in and as the back log is cleared they should start to go through quicker.

Morning jaq4chop, the exact same thing happened with us regarding Vetassess. We got the ball rolling in Sept 07 & somehow missed the Dec practical through problems with Vetassess so it has been almost a year now since we started. I'm with you in hoping for a visa by the end of this year.

janjanxx Aug 20th 2008 8:16 pm

Re: paperbased applications thread
 

Originally Posted by LouB (Post 6698867)
Dear all.....
can't actually say individual thankyous for your replies as have just returned from leaving party for long loved colleaugue. Spent evening telling people that I really was planning to go to Australlia and that I wasn't really having them on on having spent the last 18 months convincing them I had the balls to go. Unfortunately for you , was consuming a bottle of Pinot Grigio (yes. I realise this is spent wrongly, I am a member of a wine club for christs sake!!!) during the explaination followed by a couple of pints of local bitter and then 2 vodka and cokes (diet) cos I am stil 1 of the girls and hence absolutely blasted at present time.
Think they believe me now and have spent today looking anguished and telling them I have looked 'to the forum' which tels me I am on the floor in Adelaide with 6,999 other applicants but the government are looking into it and I may actually get a case officer by December in accordance with general timelines.
Anyway.... I ave returned from the pub and am sad enough to have COME HERE!!!!! What does that say? Am totally taken over with this whole process and although this has taken you 20 seconds to read I am usualy so polite it has taken me 20 minutes to correct the drunken grammar and spelings!
Anyway (again) the real reason I am here is to say I am not giving up and that after posting my previous post I wrote to my future hospital manager. She told me I must have ESP and that she was thinking of me. She also said keep in touch and don't wrry.
To all of you who replied, thanks and hope we get there son, sorry to moan and in true sloshed girly style ' I love you!!!'
Best of luck. Lou :lol:

.


lol ... this is the best most funniest post I have read in a while !! .... it shows and spells out one thing : we are all obsessed with the visa application process and the current status of timelines, co's and visa grants !! ...
Lou ... you go girl !!

maroonedNZ Aug 20th 2008 8:19 pm

Re: paperbased applications thread
 

Originally Posted by janjanxx (Post 6699907)
lol ... this is the best most funniest post I have read in a while !! .... it shows and spells out one thing : we are all obsessed with the visa application process and the current status of timelines, co's and visa grants !! ...
Lou ... you go girl !!

I thought so too, I was hungover and depressed this morning and this made me laugh out loud. We're all BONKERS! I really hope we can all meet up for a group pinot grigio some time in the future :rofl:


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