He's on a wind up mission. Just ignore the twunt.

Yeah, I think he's just trolling. He can troll away whilst I have a nap! lol

So, as it came up earlier in the thread, what, in your opinion be an appropriate amount of time for them to have "made a go" of it in the sponsoring state, before they decide to seek to move elsewhere? 1 Day, 1 Week, 1 Month?

No trolling, just don't see how this can be enforced in the absence of any mandatory time period prescribed by the DIAC which an applicant HAS TO spend in the sponsoring state before moving elsewhere.

Ooooooh I absolutely love BE!!! It is so funny that trolling should be mentioned as just before I read the first mention of troll I was thinking O.M.G ok this cannot be for real - 'cept am talking about the lovely Mrs Green and The Creature. It defies belief that this thread can go on for so long, and I just love that nobody is name-calling, it just makes it funnier.

Colonial Cousin, I have been laughing out loud, some priceless stuff in your posts. I hope you have enjoyed your slow day in Canberra, I have certainly enjoyed my visits to BE between nappies and chores today

We can all have our own opinions on this and they're clearly never going to change. We all have our own moral compass, or whatever it's called. It's not even the opposing opinion that gets me, it the absolute lack of perspective and the moral, righteous indignation, with the implication that those who disagree with all this fraud nonsense are somehow immoral people who care not a jot about anything that happens outside of their own lives. In my case certainly this could not be further from the truth, and that's why I'm so astounded by the outrage displayed here about the actions of unknown others - that outrage could be so powerful if only it wdere directed at a matter of substance and not at the immigration minister who by the way will never in a million years give a toss while he is busy discussing the merits or otherwise of using tear gas in the IDCs and whether or not people should be sent to the back of the queue for rioting. Whatever side of that arguement you are on (I am as yet undecided) SURELY it makes this SS "moral obligation" issue pale into insignifiance? That's all I really wanted to say before, I was trying to get my head around the extremity of the moral outrage of some posters on this issue. I still don't get it. We shall all agree to differ. I certainly have had a most enjoyable visit to BE this past couple of days. Thank you, all!!

Nice one Pam E and Colonial Cousin. Like you guys I tend to reserve the use of my moral compass to far larger issues of injustice rather than things that I might conceive to be scuppering my own personal plans.

Personal opinion, 6 months, but the state should assign it.

Might be relevant if it was going to affect my personal plans at all. However, there are some of us that are genuinely concerned by the wellbeing of others and not just for the advancement of our own plans at any cost. Selfishness comes in many sizes.

Glad you're enjoying the thread. Simple things, etc

Civil service codes require that contacts/requests for information are provided within x amount of time. I imagine his response will be penned by one of his assistants, the same as it is by our MPs. Which doesn't phase me at all. I understand the bureaucracy quite well. As for the IDCs, again, I very much doubt if you know what's actually happening in there. It's a convenient bandwagon for people to jump on, particularly as a smokescreen. We have the same people here jumping all over IRCs when they know nothing about the running of them or the conditions inside. I'm amazed at the ease with which people are happy to try and achieve their dreams by standing on the heads of others - strangers or not. That's not exactly a glowing reference to someone's ethics & morality.

As do obsessional rant threads.

Indeed.

I was going to give a considered response, but you know what, **** it.

Why should I care. I'm in. I'm a Citizen. It's not my problem.... it's an attiude that seems to work, for all too, many.

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Hilarious how people on here seem to think they are the immigration department and God all rolled into one!

Different people have different situations to deal with, so what if someone moves to a State they are sponsored in and then leaves- you make it out like it is a crime worse than Death! These people are in the minority, if they weren't then the State would soon tighten up on it happening.
Everyone who gets a visa to move here should do whatever they need to to make their immigration a success. I am sure Australia would rather they worked somewhere than upped and left taking their family back with them to the UK, what a waste of time, effort and resources this would be.

Just because I am a citizen here does not mean I don't wish other people to be a successful as we have, I wish everyone the best of luck in the world with their move and if they need to bend the rules a bit to make it work for their family then so what!
People need to lighten up a bit and stop thinking about themselves all the time. " Just because I couldn't/ didn't do it means you shouldn't" attitude.

People need to understand that other people have other opinions that may, and often do, differ from their own. If you read the relevant parts of the debate, no one has said 'I couldn't/didn't do it means you shouldn't'. People are simply stating that if someone agrees to a rule, they are morally bound to stick to that rule. People are most definitely not thinking of themselves, they are actually thinking of others who will be planning to move over in the future and who could well find they are unable to do so because of the selfish acts of more than a few who will get the rules changed through their behaviour, much like the people who abused the Student route, have now caused DIAC to drastically change those rules.

No one needs to lighten up, as far as I can see, the entire debate has been remarkably relaxed, other than when someone was trying to wind someone else up because they were bored.

The whole attitude of most people on here is " I am here and therefore you should not be" Absolutely disgusting the way people on here think they are above everyone else and that because they are here it should be harder for everyone else to be.

If people are "morally' tied to a State and then move, unless immigration want to do anything about it, what is the problem? You sign a letter but you are not told you have to leave the country if you leave the state. No-one can say unless they are in the situation themselves if they would move or not even though they are breaking their moral vow. The whole process is difficult enough without passing judgement on a few individuals.

DIAC will continue to tighten VISAs up when there is a recession. They will make VISAS benefit Students when they are receiving 15k a year for a TAFE course that costs $3k for a resident to do, everything is based on money now. They milk it out of you in every way as a consequence of you being able to live here. I believe it is less to do with the rules being flouted and more to do with money making. All the visas are now leaning towards students as that is the easiest way to get the money out of people, pay $35k a year for a degree at Bond with the hope you can get residency at the end of it.

I really don't want to be here, and would happily swap places with anyone these days. I also don't really care who else comes here as long as they jump through the relevant hoops like I had to, but my views on this do come from reading pms and posts from people over the years who can't get State sponsorship because of the limitation on places. If their trade is only wanted in one State they are very limited in choice and if that State says no, thats the end. Then I see posts from people eligible for several States declaring before they even get here that they have no intention of living in whatever State sponsors them. They get a visa that I (personally speaking) believe should have gone to someone else.
I even feel guilty myself at times that I came on a Spouse visa but am no longer married. If I thought someone else had lost out while I effectively ended up wasting the visa I'd be gutted, only the fact that Spouse visas never reach their quota makes me feel better.