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Old Sep 15th 2010, 1:44 pm
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THE LAST FEW POST'S ARE VERY INTERESTING READING FOR ME, THANK YOU ALL FOR BRINGING THESE ISSUE'S UP. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF I WAS TO GET A HOUSE ON THE EDGE OF THE VILLAGE OR IN THE COUNTRY SIDE DOES THESE PROBLEMS STILL THAKE AFFECT ??? ONLY WE HAVE 7 DOGUE DE BORDEAUXS AT THE MOMENT BUT WE NOW HAVE SOME PUPS SO I MAY HAVE A DOZEN BY THE TIME WE WERE TO MOVE TO HUNGARY. SO I REALLY NEED TO FIND A PLACE WERE I WILL NOT BE UPSETTING ANYONE !! AS THIS IS SOMETHING I WOULD NOT LIKE TO HAPPEN. I WILL BE A STRANGE PERSON WITH A LOT OF BIG DOGS MOVING INTO A COMMUNITEE WERE I WANT TO GET ON WITH EVERYONE !!! I WANT MY DOGS TO BE ACCEPTIED AS WELL AS ME & MY WIFE
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Old Sep 15th 2010, 2:13 pm
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Hi Ester and Littlelambfound, can I ask what areas you talking about? I am wondering whether there are differences between various regions of Hungary as we had previously commented on the lack of stray dogs, both in our village and the surrounding towns and villages. Particularly in comparison to other European countries that we have visited. We never see dogs straying in our village through the day and only once of an evening time have we seen a stray.
In the towns of Nagykanizsa, Keszthely, Zalakaros and Zalaegerszeg I can't recall ever seeing a stray dog and there are plenty of owners walking their animals.

In the villages around us, though the dogs are chained and kenneled, they are definitely fed and looked after - regular rabies shots, vaccinations and many of them are walked; albeit without leads. Just wondered
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Old Sep 15th 2010, 2:17 pm
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Hi again BRUMYAM, I would suggest discussing your plans with potential neighbours and the mayor (through a translator). As Ester commented, most rural villages welcome any form of business so have a chat with them and gauge their reaction.
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My wife's folks are in Bátonyterenye near Salgótarján, north of BP. Almost every house has a least one huge dog which noisily throws itself at the fence (that separates you from certain, bloody death!) with wild abandon. Walking the streets sometimes with my young son makes me nervous. The next door neighbour has a huge, dirty, carpet/mop-headed dog, which my boy always felt sorry for. But this last August, the owner told us that my son should never pat the dog, as it just bit the finger off his daughter!
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I`m speaking about the villages from north to south and from west to east
Indeed in the cities there are more people walking with their dogs, and overthere you don`t see many stray dogs.

A lot of dogs don`t have a normal behaviour because they never got their socialisation, those dogs are chained for years, you cannot blaim the dogs for this behaviour. The main reason that people are having a dog is to keep thiefs away..nothing more and nothing less.

To be realy honest I don`t think that we all together don`t even want to know how many stry dogs are killed in order from the majors in Hungary.
The same is counting for the dogs who are killed by hunters, something what is already forbidden for many years but still happens.

Many hunters are thinking that they are standing above the law...but the only thing what they have more than you and me, is a hunting licence.
Only a hunting chief can shoot on a dog...but only if the dog is realy trying to catch a wild animal, and in the most cases it`s a deer because a wild boar is for the most dogs simply to strong.

BTW my husband went out of hunting together with Hungarian hunters for a lot of years, he stopped with this because to many from them are drunk and are shooting on everything what moves.
When my husband had to hide himself together with his friend behind a tree because a very old almost blind hunter was shooting around like mad, it was enough for him.

When my husband asked the hunting chief why they did not took his hunting licence away from this old man, the answer was that they felt sorry for him .. even that he is almost blind it is still his biggest hobby and he waited a whole year for this time.

In many regions the drive hunt is already stopped after a few weeks by the government because a hunter shoot his hunting buddy down instead of a wild boar



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Old Sep 15th 2010, 5:05 pm
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Hi Ester, I'm not so sure if they are all the same, not in our area anyhow.
The picture painted reminds me so much of what we experienced in Bulgaria, starving dogs living in their own filth, dirty & mange ridden and regularly given a kick or whack with a stick; as animal lovers, it was one of the reasons for not buying there.
However, in ours and neighbouring villages, moreso the touristy villages, the dogs are generally well kept with many of them roaming the garden, sociable enough not to bite your hand off when you pet them and only chained when the neighbour is not around or at night. Granted there are some who do not socialise the dog at all and these are the ones that I am wary of when we walk our dog, however, one of these is the best fed and fattest Rottwieler I have ever seen. So perhaps things are slowly changing, even if only in our area or areas with a high number of foreigners, I do hope so

I was very interested to hear about the law regarding chaining your dog. I completely agree that it will be near impossible to enforce but at least there is now a law Is there a specific number of hours that the dog can be changed for? Also, are there laws in Hungary, as in the UK, that govern ownership of certain breeds such as Rottwielers etc?
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First of all I want to say that we see more positive parts than negative parts if it goes about living in Hungary that`s why we are living for 13 years overhere.

Because I want to inform people on the right way I will also tell them the negative parts from Hungary, it should be not so nice if people find out that they have to leave their new place because there is some law excisting that you may not have more than 3 dogs at your place.
Every country haves his good parts but also their negative parts and it is very important to look at the negative parts too..almost even more important than looking at the positive parts

Dogs may be only chained for a few hours a day
The only breed what is forbidden overhere is the pit bull, but in november there will be a court.
This because a minister saw the light that it is not the breed but the owners who are responsible for their dogs.
Same like in the Netherlands they took this breed ban away ...finally

My husband was several years ago in Romania...dead dogs/cats all over the highways, realy terrible

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Old Sep 15th 2010, 7:17 pm
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Hi Ester, no you are absolutely right, there is no point in people coming with "rose tinted spectacles" on and I for one found the information on the "3 dog rule" very interesting as I had never heard of it before. Further, I didn't realise that you needed a license to breed dogs, to run a dog kennels yes but not to breed them. As there have been a few expats considering breeding dogs, this is very useful information.

I genuinely am interested in whether the treatment of animals in Hungary differs depending on the region as I am aware, to the best of my knowledge, that the social issues with regards to poverty and Roma are worse in the East and North and wondered whether the treatment of animals is the same. When travelling from Romania to Hungary, we noticed far more dogs living in conditions similar to those in Bulgaria and Romania though here in the West, the problem seems slightly better. I wonder if this is Western influence?

Your husbands description of Romania echoes what we saw in Bulgaria, opening a dustbin in town to dispose of rubbish, you were often faced with a dead cat or dog... not nice
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Old Sep 15th 2010, 7:47 pm
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You don`t need a licence to breed, but if you want to breed a breed with the official FCI pedigree than you have to be member from the hungarian kennelclub (MEOE)
Dogs from abroad have to be registered by this club before you can start with breeding. You may breed 3 litters without paying tax, but...again who will control this.

The kennelclub is not giving any iformation to the tax office..a few years ago they had a court and the kennelclub won the case...according the judge it is a dog organisation and they are not an employee from any tax office...I love this country hahahahahaha

For people from abroad is it very important to ask a Export pedigree in their home country before they want to register the dogs overhere by the kennelclub, without this export paper it is not possible to register

Yes hopefully those countries will learn how to treat dogs/cats etc in a better way.
Like you wrote before in Hungary in the towns you can already see the difference...in the villages it is in our eyes still bad.

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Old Sep 15th 2010, 9:23 pm
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according the judge it is a dog organisation and they are not an employee from any tax office...I love this country hahahahahaha


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in the villages it is in our eyes still bad.
Yes there is still much to be improved but I do think seeing how us Western "softies" treat our animals does help. When we arrived in our village, we never saw a dog walk up and down the street with its owner and yet now there are a few that do. We also bought muzzles for a couple of dog owners (to use on the dogs, not the owners) in the village after a little girl was bitten last summer and they did use them.

Thanks again for your posts, they are extremely useful and I for one have learnt from them
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Do you know that there is a law in Hungary that every dog must carry a muzzle inside the village?
Not that there is a lot of control..but the law excist
Outside the village you can walk with the dogs without muzzles

In the years that we are living here we noticed that slowly the Hungarian people are taking better care about their animals.

I`m glad to see read that my information is usefull

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HI ESTER J
THE INFORMATION YOU HAVE POSTED AS BEEN A FANTASTIC HELP TO US THERE IS SO MUCH THAT WE DID NOT NO ABOUT KEEPING OUR DOGS IN HUNGARY. I FOUND IT VERY INTERESTING TO READY THE PART ABOUT GETTING THE GO AHEAD FROM THE MAJOR OF YOUR AREA TO KEEP THE DOGS !! BUT WHAT HAPPENS IF WE ARE LIVING THERE 10/15 YEARS AND ONE DAY WE HAD A FALL OUT WITH THE MAJOR FOR SO REASON. HE THEN AS THE RIGHT TO ORDER US TO REMOVE THE DOGS FROM OUR PROPERTY AND THERE IS NOT A NOTHING WE CAN DO ??
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Hi Brumyam

Would you mind taking your caps lock off when you post please
Many thanks

(are you a fellow brummie!)
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Old Sep 16th 2010, 11:45 am
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Unfortunately the answer is yes.
It can also be that you are getting a new neighbour who is complaining by the major. Normaly if a major gave you permission, they will not change it quickly.
As long the village haves profit from you, you can do a lot.
The people from abroad are making their house nice, keeping their garden clean, guest are coming over..going to the local bar/restaurant , shopping etc


To keep a good relationship in the village you can better walk outside the village with your dogs, many people are afraid for dogs especialy for the breed you have or....like we have
In the forest and on the field roads you can walk as much as you want without meeting other people, we can walk overhere more than 13 km before we reach another village.
The nature is fantastic...realy !!!

I forgot a very important thing....if there are people in a village who are holding pigs, goats, cows etc than you will never get problems with having more than 3 dogs !!!

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Old Sep 16th 2010, 11:47 am
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Hi BRUMYAM, I agree that there must surely be a way to make the business legitimate and not an "informal" agreement with the mayor. Elections are held here every 4 years and you would end up a nervous wreck come election time

I noticed a new thread has been started with regards to dog breeding and when school is finished, I will move the posts so as to collate the information, as it is useful, rather than having duplicate posts.
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