Originally Posted by Mitzyboy (Post 8923712)

Errrr .... I'm lost ... whats going on? :blink::confused:

Originally Posted by Mitzyboy (Post 8923712)

Errrr .... I'm lost ... whats going on? :blink::confused:

Originally Posted by Mrs Brinks Matt (Post 8923925)

Maybe best not call this "BritishExpats" anymore! :)

Originally Posted by ruskin (Post 8924442)

Hi all,

I am sorry that I was not entirely clear in my post yesterday and that I posted on the wrong thread. What I wished to communicate is as follows;

1. That ex pats who use terms like Indians 'pond life' etc are racist. I really dont think that those comments should be torelated.

2. I wished to say that expats have every right to make complaints and raise issues about Goa and India.

3. It seems that some people on the web site, most but not all are of PIO status do not want anyone else on the site to be critical of India. The key point is that some of these people see criticism as synomenous with racism. Its not read point 4.


4. Everyone can and should be critical of the UK for any shortcomings. However, everyone regardless of origon should be critical of the gross inequalities in India. I really had wanted to raise the issue of inequality and probably was not clear.

I still must say that I can't really understand why people of Indian origon are so defensive about their country. I think as several people have said India/ Goa is racially biased. No argument there.

I do love my Goan friends and know they have enhanced my life. I cant say India/ Goa is wonderfull not because I am racist but becase I see how people live its not good, and PIO status people should at least ,as do many ex pats, work towards enabling the poor and repressed,.

Finally racism is wrong, I dont like the comments (very few) that are racist, still there is no racism in exposing the inequalities in India. I honestly want there to be constructive criticism of India , How can they grow with half the work force kept behind closed doors.

Hoping for a better future , r

Originally Posted by stevebenaulim (Post 8881294)

The actual Goans are the most racist people, i have ever met.

Originally Posted by tarkacreek (Post 8882147)

Yes many will be British, but many thousands more probably not, the point being that many other nationals (including Indian) can go to Britain and claim benefits and be housed into accomodation, but can other nationals (including Britons) be given benefits or housing in India, a definetly No No.

Originally Posted by GoanPlaces (Post 8925821)

That is a racist, or to take the heat out of it, stereotypical comment if ever I heard one! Generalising people and assuming certain characteristics based on where someone originates from.

I'm not diasgreeing with you that SOME Goans stereotype 'Westerners' into a little box with 'money' 'idiot' and 'meal ticket stamped on it. But not all, and that is the point. To lump everyone of a certain - colour, place of origin etc into a box labeled 'racist' is to stoop to the same level you are accusing others of.

Julia

Originally Posted by GoanPlaces (Post 8925838)

Total rubbish. Asylum seekers can, yes. But good, honest hardworking Indians? Forget it. My Brother-in-Law and Sister-in-Law came to England 5 years ago on HSMP (Highly Skilled Migrants Permits) - she is a Microbioligist and he an IT professional. It took them a year just to GET the initial entry visas, and when they got them, they were only valid for one year, and to be able to renew they BOTH had to be employed in jobs paying at least £30k per year. After ONE YEAR in the country. Give any British person the same challenge - find a job paying £30k in ONE YEAR and see what happens.

Added to that, immigrants (who do not have indifinite leave to remain in Britian - granted after 5 years residency) have to pay the SAME taxes as everyone else, but are NOT entitled to the same benefits - e.g. child tax credit, child benefit etc. In a way our Govt is sponging off these new highly skilled immigrants.

And, no, they were not entitled to a house. They bought one though in the last downturn 2008. It has not been easy for them, but they have now settled well in England, and we have taken their place in Goa!

Julia x

Originally Posted by stevebenaulim (Post 8925936)

I still say the Goans are the most racist people ive ever met, not so much directed at us, but towards out of state Indians, i know a few guest houses that will not take non Goan Indians, have you seen the way Goans treat Lamanis????.

Originally Posted by leavinggoa (Post 8925960)

Lamanis are the same as any gypsy. You have pikeys (do as yer likeys) in the UK.

Originally Posted by stevebenaulim (Post 8925965)

The Goans call the out of state Indians who sell on the beach and shops Lamanis, even in the newspapers, i know the correct meaning means Gypsy, ive even heard the sellers calling themselves Lamanis, you hear alot in 12 years.