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Good of you to look back through my posts and all.

That thread was back in 2006 & the other poster at the time was saying things like:

He/she got a 5-day ban that day, but then came back later with such delights as:

He was then banned permanently.

I am not exactly sure how exactly my post could be called racist when I seem to be telling the other poster that this is not the "we hate black/brown or any other colour people board", as in, this is not somewhere to spout racist rubbish like he was.

Anyway, I am not sure I understand how me asking if anyone knew the type and amount of benefits paid to EU citizens in the UK makes me "burying my head in the sand", incentivising people to join the BNP or being "pure racist to everyone but myself" (not even sure I understand that?).

I am just asking the obvious question, if Goan's are incentivised to obtain Portugese citizenship (however that might be) and then travel to the UK for the rich gravy train of UK benefits, then how much are these benefits that incentivises this behavior?

That doesn't seem an unreasonable question, nor does asking for any details on how Portugal so freely allows citizens from ex-colonies to become Portugese.

Noni - please feel free to tell me to stop responding if you don't want this line of discussion to continue.

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Cape Blue - Yes. please stop responding in this vein. I was just going to pm you.
You are welcome on the Goa site, but please keep this thread as it was intended, and that goes for everybody else The thread seems to have been hijacked, a grown up debate would be appreciated.

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In my humble opinion, the way this discussion is going at the moment won't lead anywhere.
All it does is make emotions boil up and lead to ad-hominem arguments.

As far as I am concerned, J5 was spot on.

Racism has got nothing to do with the whole discussion. If anything, Xenophobia
would be a much better term.
I don't believe skin colour is the issue here.

About the Portuguese passport thing:
Portugal never officially acknowledged the Goan "Liberation" by Indian armed forces. "Operation Vijay" was also not sanctioned by the UN.
India took what they thought was theirs by force, and that's that.
As to the best of my knowledge (correct me if I'm wrong here), at the time, Goa was not a colony; it was officially a part of Portugal.

As a consequence (and given the fact that a referendum was never held), Portugal considers people born in Goa before "Liberation", and their children and grandchildren, to be Portuguese citizens (or even victims of a hostile occupation force) to this day.

In the light of this, it is only natural that Goans who meet the requirements can apply for Portuguese passports.

Now, because of EU legislation, every European has the right to freely move within the European Union territory. Nothing wrong with that.
I've spoken to a couple who went to England on their Portuguese passports, they said, they'd be treated like dogs in Portugal, so they moved on.
I won't comment on that, as I can't really tell.

Now calling each other names and playing the "racist" card surely won't help any of us, so I suggest we try to avoid that sort of stuff... :unsure:

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Yes I agree, it just seems that Cape Blue has a tendency to want should I say lively debates with anyone about anything and if its not constructive its not needed, thats all I have left on this topic.
Goodnight all.

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Have deliberately kept quiet for a while and watched the thread develop.

Quite frankly Mr/Mrs/Ms Cape Blue, I feel you have hi-jacked a potentially focussed thread to bang your own particular drum. Like Tarkacreek I have also referred back and clearly this is what you like to do?

Your questions (provocations) regarding benefits available in the UK are totally ridiculous. Although the UK is far too free and easy with dishing out benefits, it generally takes into account individual circumstances so these repetitive requests for potential benefit levels are nothing but silly wind-ups, designed to provoke the sort of reactions you clearly crave.

In view of this. can I politely request that you go away and let this thread return to "topic", rather than risk destroying a potentially meaningful discussion?

Thank you and have a nice day......


(ps, One of our well educated and erudite members has pointed out to me privately that the concept of the Aryans originating in India is a myth perpetuated by two prominent fascist organisations.......Mr A Hitlers Genetic Cleansing Glee Club, and their natural successors in todays India, the cuddly BJP. Before you disagree...........read up on it, especially BJP tenets)

While I was typing this epic Noni, Tarkacreek and especially Germanfool have posted...............agree with all you have said, especially Mr Germanfool. Your username is just so inaccurate as you are clearly "nobody's fool" as we say in the UK, but clearly an erudite and balanced member of this form.

love and peas
J5

Milwart is banned from contributing to this thread, by the way.


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Thank you, J5! :)

I'm still a fool, 'cause I allowed myself to get fooled big time by Goan advocates and officials, but let's not beat a dead horse here.

It indeed is. Repeating that BS all over and over again doesn't make it any more true or less false.

The "Aryans" came from the shores of the Black Sea (originally possibly even from some hill in the Ural Mountains) and in their proto-indoeuropean language the word simply meant "man".
"Iran" is derived from the very same word.
They invaded what is now North India in prehistoric times and pushed the Dravidians southwards.
At the same time, their language spread towards the West, whether by means of war or simply by means of word is still being discussed and we might never find out.

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Flog, my friend, flog.................


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Thanks for the Goa/Portugal information, most interesting.

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I don't think my comments were especially argumentative (and unlike others, I have avoided the ad hominem), I was merely reading a thread and someone posited that Goan's were moving to the UK to claim "anything and everything" and have "a cushy life on benefits".

All I asked was what were those benefits as, as far as I can remember, unemployment/job seekers type benefits were about GBP60 a week and many Brits who have recently been made unemployed complain about the low-levels of benefits.

Anyway, back to the topic of race, as you were.

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For what it's worth My personal view is that most people on here probably started going to Goa on shorter holidays, loved the friendliness, the laid back feel of the place, and other good things about Goa, and had no need to look beyond the surface.
Many folks went there to live their dream in a place they had come to love, and many were seduced by the advertising and encouragement to invest there.
For a few years many found a happy life, until the tide turned at the hands of the government and the inception of the DoE. At that point many people who had accepted Goa at face value were forced to then see the darker side of Goa - the visible corruption, the visible greed and the realisation of the deception played out at professional level by licensed professional people such as lawyers, accountants, politicians, government employees etc.

Most folks probably had no reason to see this side of Goa before this time. Beforehand, the small cons on the beach, the giving sweets instead of cash change, the sob stories of relatives in need, the requests to bring gifts from the UK etc etc. were just viewed as eccentricities, but now became more noticable when coupled with the realisation that Goa was corrupt at the top of the tree, and the Expats were not really welcome there as they had believed.
When people are forced to become embroiled in the nasty aspects of a place their views are bound to be altered, and for many who have suffered because of this they will have become embittered. Remember the saying 'love and hate - two sides of the same coin'?
I believe that just because someone who has been to a place criticises that place and the general behaviours of its' people, they are not being racist, merely expressing a viewpoint based on what they have seen or experienced.

For those who have not had to face such problems, you can empathise, but you can never truly feel what those who have suffered do.
Before we castigate someone as a racist, let's just stop and consider why they turned from loving a place enough to set up home there to having nothing good to say about it ?

The racist is the hater with no reason or cause to hate, the person who hates without knowledge or experience.

Dread - philosophical
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Very eloquently put Dread :thumbsup: Why would we be racist when we chose to purchase and holiday in Goa.

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I fully agree and I guess that's the case with quite a few of us here.
We fell in love with the place and got betrayed.

Let me quote Heinrich Heine:

"It is an old story,
Yet it remains ever new;
And to he whom it has just happened,
It will break his heart in two."

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GM, how come Chinese citizens of Macau haven't flooded into the EU if all over seas Portuguese territories are classed as home base ?

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DDread absolutely understand what you are saying, and understand your anger with Goa, but what myself and others have protested about is the extension of this anger by some posts to insulting the entire Indian nation, and all immigrants to the UK. Regardless of the 'R' word this is unfair and incorrect. Some posters have said "don't take it personnally" but it is personal if you are one of the group being insulted. You have said above that if you have had no experience of a problem you can still empathise, may be you too can empathise with those who have experience of prejudice because of their own or their family origins and understand why they object to the insults quite often expressed on this forum and that the objections are not to 'cause trouble' merely putting 'the other side'.

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Told a guy in a bar, last night, I prefer Tuborg to shitty Kings. He told me I was racist.

On a more serious note, isn't the witch hunt by the Goan government against so called illegal house purchase, by Europeans, racist?

Wally.