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Re: Racism
Originally Posted by wallydug
(Post 8886734)
Told a guy in a bar, last night, I prefer Tuborg to shitty Kings. He told me I was racist.
On a more serious note, isn't the witch hunt by the Goan government against so called illegal house purchase, by Europeans, racist? Wally. Especially when you have had your deeds registered. |
Re: Racism
Originally Posted by Bipat
(Post 8886610)
D
Dread absolutely understand what you are saying, and understand your anger with Goa, but what myself and others have protested about is the extension of this anger by some posts to insulting the entire Indian nation, and all immigrants to the UK. Regardless of the 'R' word this is unfair and incorrect. Some posters have said "don't take it personnally" but it is personal if you are one of the group being insulted. You have said above that if you have had no experience of a problem you can still empathise, may be you too can empathise with those who have experience of prejudice because of their own or their family origins and understand why they object to the insults quite often expressed on this forum and that the objections are not to 'cause trouble' merely putting 'the other side'. Hi Bipat That's a heck of a lot of assumption you are making about me - all somewhat far from the mark!! I must advise you that you most certainly do not 'understand ' me as your opening statement claims. Firstly I am not 'angry' with Goa and still look forward to the time I spend there. I have always expressed that there are good things and bad, and only expressed an opinion based upon what I have personally seen and experienced - that makes me neither predudiced nor discriminatory, merely a commentator of my own thoughts. My comments regarding the suffering are from a massive collation of facts from people trusting me enough to be open with me about their circumstances in Goa, on account that I have been working behind the scenes to challenge the issues regarding the property situation - something I am continuing to do in a constructive, strategic and professional manner. I may also point out that at the time of the post causing recent uproar, I actually made it plain that I did not like it's contents and advised that it should not be given credibility ! This is neither the first nor the last time I would make such representation. That all said - I am appalled at the way the Goan Govt have behaved, I am disgusted at the dishonesty of a number of licenced professionals who have operated an organised syndicate of deception, and I don't like the elements of greed and impropriety that are becoming more prevalent in and around the tourist belt - primarily because it is ruining the good of Goa. I am appalled at these things because I have seen the sufferings of many ordinary people and my compassion for those affected holds no bounds. On the other side of the coin, I fully understand prejudice and discrimination, and for you to suggest otherwise when you have neither met nor conversed with me is patronising, and a discriminatory act on your part. You see Bipat, I understand it because I have been the victim of it on a very personal targetted level. Furthermore I do empathise with you as I don't like some of the content of letters printed in the Herald which refer to the likes of me as 'Dole scroungers' and 'scum' - I probably have the same feelings as you have described above. I don't particularly like it nor would I expect you to like something similar. My post above is a philosophical outline of how the love has turned to hatred. Nowhere in that post do I state that I agree with remarks made by any person, merely that many remarks are made by deeply affected people who have undergone a pattern of psychological change as a result of very recent and currrent changing circumstances. It is an intellectually based view of how hatred is bred. The same build up happened in Toxteth and Broadwater Farm prior to the rioting - not that I am suggesting that Brit expats are intent on such extreme measures in Goa !! Bipat I have read your posts, many of which I have found informative and have fully agreed with, but there are times you have given me concern when you have responded to a balanced post by making negative assumption, and pointing the finger of racism or pro racism when a poster has a differently balanced viewpoint than you. I agree - object to the insults, I will applaud you for doing so, but please ask people like me what we mean before becoming affronting. Dread - balancing x |
Re: Racism
Originally Posted by prestonjohn
(Post 8886422)
GM, how come Chinese citizens of Macau haven't flooded into the EU if all over seas Portuguese territories are classed as home base ?
Similar to Hong Kong, it was basically on lease and had to be given back in 1999 I think. Other former colonies like Angola gained independence. Goa (and Daman and Diu) was taken by force by another state, so that's a totally different story, when you apply public international law (as by these terms the "Liberation" of Goa was not a lawful act, as opposed to what happened with other territories). If Argentina had won the Falklands war, I'm sure people born there would still be eligible for UK passports. |
Re: Racism
Originally Posted by dreadsoc
(Post 8887851)
Hi Bipat
That's a heck of a lot of assumption you are making about me - all somewhat far from the mark!! I must advise you that you most certainly do not 'understand ' me as your opening statement claims. Firstly I am not 'angry' with Goa and still look forward to the time I spend there. I have always expressed that there are good things and bad, and only expressed an opinion based upon what I have personally seen and experienced - that makes me neither predudiced nor discriminatory, merely a commentator of my own thoughts. My comments regarding the suffering are from a massive collation of facts from people trusting me enough to be open with me about their circumstances in Goa, on account that I have been working behind the scenes to challenge the issues regarding the property situation - something I am continuing to do in a constructive, strategic and professional manner. I may also point out that at the time of the post causing recent uproar, I actually made it plain that I did not like it's contents and advised that it should not be given credibility ! This is neither the first nor the last time I would make such representation. That all said - I am appalled at the way the Goan Govt have behaved, I am disgusted at the dishonesty of a number of licenced professionals who have operated an organised syndicate of deception, and I don't like the elements of greed and impropriety that are becoming more prevalent in and around the tourist belt - primarily because it is ruining the good of Goa. I am appalled at these things because I have seen the sufferings of many ordinary people and my compassion for those affected holds no bounds. On the other side of the coin, I fully understand prejudice and discrimination, and for you to suggest otherwise when you have neither met nor conversed with me is patronising, and a discriminatory act on your part. You see Bipat, I understand it because I have been the victim of it on a very personal targetted level. Furthermore I do empathise with you as I don't like some of the content of letters printed in the Herald which refer to the likes of me as 'Dole scroungers' and 'scum' - I probably have the same feelings as you have described above. I don't particularly like it nor would I expect you to like something similar. My post above is a philosophical outline of how the love has turned to hatred. Nowhere in that post do I state that I agree with remarks made by any person, merely that many remarks are made by deeply affected people who have undergone a pattern of psychological change as a result of very recent and currrent changing circumstances. It is an intellectually based view of how hatred is bred. The same build up happened in Toxteth and Broadwater Farm prior to the rioting - not that I am suggesting that Brit expats are intent on such extreme measures in Goa !! Bipat I have read your posts, many of which I have found informative and have fully agreed with, but there are times you have given me concern when you have responded to a balanced post by making negative assumption, and pointing the finger of racism or pro racism when a poster has a differently balanced viewpoint than you. I agree - object to the insults, I will applaud you for doing so, but please ask people like me what we mean before becoming affronting. Dread - balancing x Correct me if I am wrong but I have not used the word 'racism' in fact I have suggested that misinformed is more accurate. Are you suggesting I should not post other than 'Information' ?? We as a family also have Goa/India property problems. |
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I dont think Dread meant that at all Bipat and was just clarifying her stand. In this particular instance your post regarding her was at the least, ambiguous.
Personally I find your posts and views fair and balanced in almost all cases especially compared with some others who rant, rave and launch personal attacks whenever Goa or India are criticised, and I would miss your opinions greatly....... |
Re: Racism
Originally Posted by johnny five
(Post 8888766)
I dont think Dread meant that at all Bipat and was just clarifying her stand. In this particular instance your post regarding her was at the least, ambiguous.
Personally I find your posts and views fair and balanced in almost all cases especially compared with some others who rant, rave and launch personal attacks whenever Goa or India are criticised, and I would miss your opinions greatly....... I also appreciate your great first hand knowledge of Goa. |
Re: Racism
Originally Posted by Bipat
(Post 8889025)
Thank you so much J5. My original post to Dread was actually meant to show sympathy with the injustice regarding homes in Goa. It was not clear.
I also appreciate your great first hand knowledge of Goa. Hi Bipat As J5 says, I was clarifying my stand on things, so please do not think that I don't want you to post - as I said in my post, I have found many of your contributions very informative and enjoyable, and very often agree with what you have to say. I can very much empathise with you on why some posts would make you feel upset, and support you challenging extreme views, yet at the same time I can see why people have been driven to the level of hatred born from very recent and/or current suffering caused by their treatment. What I am not liking on here is that a small group seem to support each other in labelling people racist because they criticise Goa/India, when in fact this is someone's view based upon experiences, and far from racist. To comment on the topic of the thread : Certainly racism exists in both the UK and India/Goa, but what I have noticed is that in the UK the aggression more commonly takes the form of 'subtle aggression', whereas certainly in Goa, it is more openly and visibly displayed. There are still moronic elements of UK society who racially attack, as there are morons who will attack a person because they are gay, but these do not represent the majority. In the UK much has been done to stamp it out, including additions to criminal law. It has also become far less socially acceptable to mainstream society, meaning those who hold such prejudice have to a bit less obvious in their behaviour. Actually in some ways subtle aggression is worse because it can be very difficult to recognise by others, and can be more difficult to challenge. Subtle aggression often takes the form of small but sly acts, which if taken individually can sound petty, but when continuously played out on a daily or repetitive basis can have a severe diminishing effect on the recipient. Dread - x |
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As dread points out, racism is seen in every country. There will always be morons who look for differences and play on them. The problem is when governments are racist. Like Goa. Kamat has sanctioned investigation of 400 illegal property deals involving foreigners. No mention of illegal sellers or lawyers who advised and drew up the documents. Only the foreigners.
Wally. |
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Re: 2 month out rule
Today, 2:15 am #3217 GermanFool Member Re: GOA - Buyer Beware! Quote: Originally Posted by ruskin obvious racist comments Please show me one obvious racist comment in this thread. There are some harsh comments here about India, about Goa, and also about Goans and Indians, which are possibly, admittedly, sometimes generalizing a bit too much. However, harsh criticism (especially if it is justified on some level, and mostly it sure is IMHO) should not be termed "racist". That's just plain wrong. It has got nothing to do with racism. Branding it as such is just a very easy and cheap way to silence people and try to put them in some corner where they don't really belong. I find that at least equally as disgusting. Removed from Buyer Beware - please everybody keep Buyer Beware for property issues. Thanks __________________ Life is too short too stress yourself with people who don't even deserve to be an issue in your life!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Last edited by noni : Today at 8:51 am. Today, 8:59 am #32 Remy-Ireland Senior Member Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,542 Re: 2 month out rule Quote: Originally Posted by wallydug Racism,......Now there's a word. Ask an Indian to stop spitting...you're racist. Pronounce Dikshit wrongly...you're racist. Discriminate against thousands of foreigners in property matters....you're not. Can any member truly say they're not being discriminated against, on racial grounds, by the Goan government. I am, and if I air my views, I'm racist. What crap.Don't you know, most Indians are taught about discrimination from the cradle, and practice it to the grave. It's called caste. I'll always pronounce Dikshit phonetically. Wally. Did the caste system not exist in India before you bought property there? Did these Indians not spit before you bought property there? If you have so much distaste for Indians then why move and buy property in India in the first place? A lot of members on here who are going through the worst of the property situation have NOT came out with offensive or dare i say "Racist" remarks, many who i have had the privilege of meeting personally. Strangely enough a few people on here( some under different guises) who are not directly involved in the property debacle appear to be the ones that repeatedly rant over Indians, their country and religion which makes me wonder what their agenda really is or how it is going to help expats retain their properties. Continually rattling on about how rubbish India is and how racist Indians are and how they are taking over britain etc etc etc.......well it does begin to sound very BNPish after a while especially when its repeatedly coming from the same posters. __________________ "This is india man, not sussex .The place is dysfunctional, anarchistic (and lawless when it choses to be)." Douglas Today, 9:03 am #33 stevebenaulim Senior Member Joined: May 2008 Location: BENAULIM Posts: 241 Re: 2 month out rule Quote: Originally Posted by noni It amazes me how the beach girls look so clean and fresh sari's every day, when they just wash in buckets - pride in their appearances. Yes the Lamani girls look good, when you see the accomodation they live in. __________________ SAVAGES THE BLOODY LOT OF THEM Today, 9:24 am #34 johnny five & MILWARTtheGRATE, innit? Re: 2 month out rule Fully agree Germanfool and Wally, thats why I started a thread to debate the abuse of the over-used label "Racist" and its lack of accuracy ...................surely thats where these posts should be? Or is it now racist to discuss racism Oh, and you dont have to go to India to see the persistent spitting, either, or to listen to a load of old b*ll*cks ....... . __________________ Got up this morning......did a "Risk Assessment"..... there was risk...... went Last edited by johnny five : Today at 9:28 am. Today, 9:35 am #35 Remy-Ireland Senior Member Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,542 Re: 2 month out rule Quote: Originally Posted by johnny five Fully agree Germanfool and Wally, thats why I started a thread to debate the abuse of the over-used label "Racist" and its lack of accuracy ...................surely thats where these posts should be? Or is it now racist to discuss racism Oh, and you dont have to go to India to see the persistent spitting, either, or to listen to a load of old b*ll*cks ....... . and will you be back in Goa this year J5? __________________ "This is india man, not sussex .The place is dysfunctional, anarchistic (and lawless when it choses to be)." Douglas |
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Re: 2 month out rule
Originally Posted by Remy-Ireland and will you be back in Goa this year J5? Definitely not. Will you be there for more than a couple of weeks holiday? |
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Originally Posted by johnny five Fully agree Germanfool and Wally, thats why I started a thread to debate the abuse of the over-used label "Racist" and its lack of accuracy ...................surely thats where these posts should be? Or is it now racist to discuss racism Oh, and you dont have to go to India to see the persistent spitting, either, or to listen to a load of old b*ll*cks ....... . Remy Ireland and will you be back in Goa this year J5? |
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johnny five
Quote: Originally Posted by Remy-Ireland and will you be back in Goa this year J5? Definitely not. Will you be there for more than a couple of weeks holiday? |
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Remy-Ireland
Quote: Originally Posted by johnny five Definitely not. Will you be there for more than a couple of weeks holiday? . Definately!!! |
Re: Racism
Please let a girl have her morning coffee and get her "brain" into gear.
Peace to all. :wub: |
Re: Racism
Errrr .... I'm lost ... whats going on? :blink::confused:
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