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#31

Hi Mr. Remy-Douglas,This is just like old times, lets have a good argument.
Like Wen we don't want to change anything, just be left alone to enjoy or retirement, we've all worked bloody hard to get this far.
When being asked would we like a taxi, come into my shop, come to my resturant, my beach shack, hassled on the beach, what should we all be saying, sorry you don't want us here, so money staying in our pocket, I don't think so.
There has got to be give and take - not take, take, take.

Why should we give up our pension rights, we have bloody well paid for them long enough.
Bet you are having a go at me
Remy, can see my email advisor jumping up and down.
NoniTotally agree with Noni - we have paid for our pensions it is our right.
Love the banter - We know Noni
the last thing she is is racist, her home in UK and India is open to everybody.
#32
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Gosh you have learnt well from Douglas and Andy how could I forget FEMA,
I am enjoying this.
How can you say developers have not broken the law! Yes - we now know you cannot purchase etc. etc. but they should be had up for taking money under false pretences. Our Estate Agents/Developers could not sell a property and then say that the developer still owned it. Lets be fair.
Noni
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He Gosh you have learnt well from Douglas and Andy how could I forget FEMA,
I am enjoying this.
How can you say developers have not broken the law! Yes - we now know you cannot purchase etc. etc. but they should be had up for taking money under false pretences. Our Estate Agents/Developers could not sell a property and then say that the developer still owned it. Lets be fair.

NoniHi Noni,
I think they havent broken the law because they havent really sold anything except a lease. And thats just like buying a lease for say a shop or commercial premises in this country.
Many people out there only have a sale agreement/ lease and until they actually have the deeds/freehold then they own 'squat diddly'(myself included). People need to read and understand what their signing and buying.
Now i agree that they(developers) in the most are being sneaky as they are not revealing the difficulties in obtaining residency or registering deeds and they are still sending people down the ltd company route.......but as annoying as this is........im not sure if they are technically acting illegal.
Over here in NI they would probably end up with a Gangsters Beating

but i think a good solicitor acting for them good show that they have not broken any law.
The Indian Government needs to stick a little amendment/penalty into FEMA against Developers warning them not to 'sell' to non resident FNs and to post and provide updated info on the current legalities regarding property purchase in India.
Would this help.........probably not.
The temptation of sunshine and sand is just too much for many FNs.

Remy
Last edited by Remy-Ireland; Sep 25th 2007 at 8:26 pm.
#33
Regarding FN's being deported for "criminal activities", of the 55 or more deported in the past 2 months I will guarantee you 50 are Nigerians. Trouble is, the media rarely differentiate except when it is a European deported for overstaying.
Of two of the European deportations, even though they contested it and lost at the Bombay Bench of the High Court, the word is that they were involved in "irregular dealings" at an orphanage (alledgedly "financial irregularities") - good riddance to bad rubbish and well done to the Goan Authorities if that was the case. Time they threw out that well known travel agent as well ( Links if you want them), but the old bugger obviously has political protection and I don't doubt his activities were politically sanctioned.
I can also personally confirm that the cocaine trade in Goa is almost entirely organiised and run by Nigerians, many of whom are already on criminal charges, "attending school", "playing football" or simply overstaying. European involvement in distribution is minimal, though Europeans (and Goans/Indians) are the primary consumers.
I know more young Goans who have a serious cocaine problem than any Europeans, who seem able to use most drugs on a recreational and fairly controlled basis (with a few notable exceptions).
The charas (hash) trade is wholesaled by the Kashmiris who bring it into the State and Goans are almost entirely the distribution network.There are a few independant players as well.
Of two of the European deportations, even though they contested it and lost at the Bombay Bench of the High Court, the word is that they were involved in "irregular dealings" at an orphanage (alledgedly "financial irregularities") - good riddance to bad rubbish and well done to the Goan Authorities if that was the case. Time they threw out that well known travel agent as well ( Links if you want them), but the old bugger obviously has political protection and I don't doubt his activities were politically sanctioned.
I can also personally confirm that the cocaine trade in Goa is almost entirely organiised and run by Nigerians, many of whom are already on criminal charges, "attending school", "playing football" or simply overstaying. European involvement in distribution is minimal, though Europeans (and Goans/Indians) are the primary consumers.
I know more young Goans who have a serious cocaine problem than any Europeans, who seem able to use most drugs on a recreational and fairly controlled basis (with a few notable exceptions).
The charas (hash) trade is wholesaled by the Kashmiris who bring it into the State and Goans are almost entirely the distribution network.There are a few independant players as well.
#34
I agree with you, the problem is that we have all been educated by years of immigration and laws against discrimination, we have been taught that everybody has rights and should be treated in the same way.
It is difficult to change these attitudes just because one is in a foreign country and therefore it sits uncomfortably in the mind when people smile and then charge you more because you are different, tell you that you aren't wanted because you are different.
People see foreigners come to the UK and apparently settle, buy property, set up any business they desire, without hindrance from the government or bribes to officials. So when Brits move abroad they automatically feel that they should be treated in a similar manner.
YES, I know this is very simplistic but I would bet that a lot of FNs can empathise with this.
Regards
Tony P
#35
Hi Tony,
Let me take on the roll of an Indian Government tourist official for this post.
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Wanting to be Goan dosnt give you the right to be Goan.
Like you say many people dont want to give up their UK status,pension rights etc etc.
But you cant serve two masters........and what is the real differance between a tourist who stays for two weeks and one who stays for a year?
The one who stays for two weeks is more likely to be a frequent visitor and be a higher spender than the long term one. A long termer knows how to budget and make their money stretch. They 'eat in' more and shop at supermarkets. They dont rely on puplic transport to the same degree as many have their own bikes and cars. They rent accomodation or 'purchase' and dont use 4 or 5 star hotels. They dont go on official government guided tours. They let their families and friends use 'their' accomodation which dosent benefit the hotel tourist sector.
Regards,
Remy
Let me take on the roll of an Indian Government tourist official for this post.
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Wanting to be Goan dosnt give you the right to be Goan.
Like you say many people dont want to give up their UK status,pension rights etc etc.
But you cant serve two masters........and what is the real differance between a tourist who stays for two weeks and one who stays for a year?
The one who stays for two weeks is more likely to be a frequent visitor and be a higher spender than the long term one. A long termer knows how to budget and make their money stretch. They 'eat in' more and shop at supermarkets. They dont rely on puplic transport to the same degree as many have their own bikes and cars. They rent accomodation or 'purchase' and dont use 4 or 5 star hotels. They dont go on official government guided tours. They let their families and friends use 'their' accomodation which dosent benefit the hotel tourist sector.
Regards,
Remy
You are right, a long term visitor pays money into the system in a steady flow, it is over a long period and gets put into different areas rather than just beach shacks and restaurants, such as property rental fees, advocates fees, council tax, water, electricity, vehicle rental fees, food.
Yes they do let their family and friends stay with them, but those visitors will spend money that wouldn't have gone to Goa if Grandma/Grandpa had retired to Spain or Portugal.
I don't have any real answers, I wish I did.
Regards
Tony
#36
Hi Remy
You are right, a long term visitor pays money into the system in a steady flow, it is over a long period and gets put into different areas rather than just beach shacks and restaurants, such as property rental fees, advocates fees, council tax, water, electricity, vehicle rental fees, food.
Yes they do let their family and friends stay with them, but those visitors will spend money that wouldn't have gone to Goa if Grandma/Grandpa had retired to Spain or Portugal.
I don't have any real answers, I wish I did.
Regards
Tony
You are right, a long term visitor pays money into the system in a steady flow, it is over a long period and gets put into different areas rather than just beach shacks and restaurants, such as property rental fees, advocates fees, council tax, water, electricity, vehicle rental fees, food.
Yes they do let their family and friends stay with them, but those visitors will spend money that wouldn't have gone to Goa if Grandma/Grandpa had retired to Spain or Portugal.
I don't have any real answers, I wish I did.
Regards
Tony
Thanks! I feel very strongly as you can see about this subject. If I go to a stall in Panjim and get "diddled" once, they will never see me again. (that is of course, if I realise)
There will be a row at the Christmas Bash if that Remy "diddles" my bottle of 'noffi when I am not looking.
Are you enjoying your retirement?
Noni
#37
Hi Remy
I agree with you, the problem is that we have all been educated by years of immigration and laws against discrimination, we have been taught that everybody has rights and should be treated in the same way.
It is difficult to change these attitudes just because one is in a foreign country and therefore it sits uncomfortably in the mind when people smile and then charge you more because you are different, tell you that you aren't wanted because you are different.
People see foreigners come to the UK and apparently settle, buy property, set up any business they desire, without hindrance from the government or bribes to officials. So when Brits move abroad they automatically feel that they should be treated in a similar manner.
YES, I know this is very simplistic but I would bet that a lot of FNs can empathise with this.
Regards
Tony P
I agree with you, the problem is that we have all been educated by years of immigration and laws against discrimination, we have been taught that everybody has rights and should be treated in the same way.
It is difficult to change these attitudes just because one is in a foreign country and therefore it sits uncomfortably in the mind when people smile and then charge you more because you are different, tell you that you aren't wanted because you are different.
People see foreigners come to the UK and apparently settle, buy property, set up any business they desire, without hindrance from the government or bribes to officials. So when Brits move abroad they automatically feel that they should be treated in a similar manner.
YES, I know this is very simplistic but I would bet that a lot of FNs can empathise with this.
Regards
Tony P
Our Local Council have instructed that all references to Christmas or Christianity be removed from all "Seasonal Greetings" cards they send out for 25th. December.
An English boy applied for a job last week in a UK travel agent and was refused because he cannot speak Punjabi. Surely, that is blatant race discrimination under the Race Discrimination Act, or does that only work in one direction?
Our Local Council website has a dedicated Link for Polish speakers which amongst other things lists their entitlement to benefits, even Child Benefit for their children left in their home countries, and they are claiming twice, st home and in the UK for the same benefit, without checks.
UK companies have instructed employees not to eat at their desks during Ramadam in case it offends Muslim colleagues. All food trolleys and vending machines have temporarily been removed in some companies and government organisations.
School children in Clackmannanshire, Scotland are being given day trip tours of the local mosque "to promote a better understanding and tolerance towards Islam". This follows the conviction and jailing of a jihadist based in the area and plotting to kill and mutilate innocent "infidel" lives. The Muslim minority are not being offered a reciprocal opportunity to visit a Christian Church in order to attempt to integrate to British culture and society.
When a "foreigner" in the UK goes to the supermarket checkout with an item priced say at £15, they are not then charged £30 because their skin tone or language might be different.
End of Daily Mail style rant for the moment!
#38
Oh my dearest,
Greed rules the world!
The thing is in India you have a population of over a billion people many of who are poor and many who are also literally starving to death......such circumstances breeds corruption and India is not alone in this.
OMG look at Africa (Sudan) and what that monster is doing in Darfur.
I have said this before but our plight of trying to obtain 'citizenship' in India is minuscule compared with Indias real problems. We cant buy there and then dictate our terms to them and expect them to compromise every time......im afraid it wont happen.
I also feel that if we rock the boat too much the door will close even further especially with what is happening between Britain and India at the moment regarding visas and immigration.
What can we really offer Goa that will make them change their mind?
apart from more consumption of Kingfisher, more taxis and rickshaws, higher demand for narcotics (including viagra etc) and an increase in people trafficing to satisfy the lustful demands of FNs. Of course this is not us all.......but its happening......and many FNs have been caught red handed and indeed deported for their involvement in crime.
So if they dont really need our money or our lifestyle then what can we contribute to the tiny state of Goa to make them change their mind?

Remy
Greed rules the world!
The thing is in India you have a population of over a billion people many of who are poor and many who are also literally starving to death......such circumstances breeds corruption and India is not alone in this.
OMG look at Africa (Sudan) and what that monster is doing in Darfur.
I have said this before but our plight of trying to obtain 'citizenship' in India is minuscule compared with Indias real problems. We cant buy there and then dictate our terms to them and expect them to compromise every time......im afraid it wont happen.
I also feel that if we rock the boat too much the door will close even further especially with what is happening between Britain and India at the moment regarding visas and immigration.
What can we really offer Goa that will make them change their mind?
apart from more consumption of Kingfisher, more taxis and rickshaws, higher demand for narcotics (including viagra etc) and an increase in people trafficing to satisfy the lustful demands of FNs. Of course this is not us all.......but its happening......and many FNs have been caught red handed and indeed deported for their involvement in crime.
So if they dont really need our money or our lifestyle then what can we contribute to the tiny state of Goa to make them change their mind?

Remy
#39
Greggs, the UK bakers have installed a special "Muslim toilet" in their new multi million pound baking facility at Cambuslang, Scotland, even though they admit they have no Muslim employees!
I've not noticed any Muslims being too particular about their toilet habits as they go about their ablutions railside as you enter Bombay, so what's the fuss! Political correctness gone mad!
The European Commission have ruled that "tar macadam" (named after its Scottish born creator, John Loudon McAdam; 1756 - 1863), "macadamisation" becoming the worlwide basis for all future road building, be renamed as "concrete asphalt". Their goes another aspect of our historical context and heritage.
I've not noticed any Muslims being too particular about their toilet habits as they go about their ablutions railside as you enter Bombay, so what's the fuss! Political correctness gone mad!
The European Commission have ruled that "tar macadam" (named after its Scottish born creator, John Loudon McAdam; 1756 - 1863), "macadamisation" becoming the worlwide basis for all future road building, be renamed as "concrete asphalt". Their goes another aspect of our historical context and heritage.
#40
I was in a black cab yesterday and the driver tells me that the unlicenced "private hire" cabs don't get pulled in for a 6 monthly vehicle/ driver background checks, etc. Many are being driven by the influx of Eastern European immigrants who do not speak English or know their way around the city so they have a Council paid for interpreter (as well as Sat Nav). Rapes of young inebreiated women are on the increase because of differing cultural interpretations of when "No" means "No", and whether intoxication is an invitation to unconsenting intercourse.
Our Local Council have instructed that all references to Christmas or Christianity be removed from all "Seasonal Greetings" cards they send out for 25th. December.
An English boy applied for a job last week in a UK travel agent and was refused because he cannot speak Punjabi. Surely, that is blatant race discrimination under the Race Discrimination Act, or does that only work in one direction?
Our Local Council website has a dedicated Link for Polish speakers which amongst other things lists their entitlement to benefits, even Child Benefit for their children left in their home countries, and they are claiming twice, st home and in the UK for the same benefit, without checks.
UK companies have instructed employees not to eat at their desks during Ramadam in case it offends Muslim colleagues. All food trolleys and vending machines have temporarily been removed in some companies and government organisations.
School children in Clackmannanshire, Scotland are being given day trip tours of the local mosque "to promote a better understanding and tolerance towards Islam". This follows the conviction and jailing of a jihadist based in the area and plotting to kill and mutilate innocent "infidel" lives. The Muslim minority are not being offered a reciprocal opportunity to visit a Christian Church in order to attempt to integrate to British culture and society.
When a "foreigner" in the UK goes to the supermarket checkout with an item priced say at £15, they are not then charged £30 because their skin tone or language might be different.
End of Daily Mail style rant for the moment!
Our Local Council have instructed that all references to Christmas or Christianity be removed from all "Seasonal Greetings" cards they send out for 25th. December.
An English boy applied for a job last week in a UK travel agent and was refused because he cannot speak Punjabi. Surely, that is blatant race discrimination under the Race Discrimination Act, or does that only work in one direction?
Our Local Council website has a dedicated Link for Polish speakers which amongst other things lists their entitlement to benefits, even Child Benefit for their children left in their home countries, and they are claiming twice, st home and in the UK for the same benefit, without checks.
UK companies have instructed employees not to eat at their desks during Ramadam in case it offends Muslim colleagues. All food trolleys and vending machines have temporarily been removed in some companies and government organisations.
School children in Clackmannanshire, Scotland are being given day trip tours of the local mosque "to promote a better understanding and tolerance towards Islam". This follows the conviction and jailing of a jihadist based in the area and plotting to kill and mutilate innocent "infidel" lives. The Muslim minority are not being offered a reciprocal opportunity to visit a Christian Church in order to attempt to integrate to British culture and society.
When a "foreigner" in the UK goes to the supermarket checkout with an item priced say at £15, they are not then charged £30 because their skin tone or language might be different.
End of Daily Mail style rant for the moment!
Last term the local school took my grand daughters class to a Hindi temple and to a local mosque.
I totally agree with your rant especially about benefits -
I spoke yesterday to a young couple (30) who have a severely brain damaged child - you name it he has got it, poor love. Last year a social worker called and said "They had not expected the child to live so long" he was 2.
After fighting the Welsh Assembly for funding they were approved funding until he was 18, another Welsh authority got involved as the foster carer was in the next county, all sorted, then yesterday they were told funding is being withdrawn. And yet we are paying for all the families of those other foreigners who have caused havoc in this country, whilst they are in prison, and they are not exported - fair - no way :curse::curse:
I can get off my soap box now. :curse:
#41
Hi Tony,
Thanks! I feel very strongly as you can see about this subject. If I go to a stall in Panjim and get "diddled" once, they will never see me again. (that is of course, if I realise)
There will be a row at the Christmas Bash if that Remy "diddles" my bottle of 'noffi when I am not looking.
Are you enjoying your retirement?
Noni
Thanks! I feel very strongly as you can see about this subject. If I go to a stall in Panjim and get "diddled" once, they will never see me again. (that is of course, if I realise)
There will be a row at the Christmas Bash if that Remy "diddles" my bottle of 'noffi when I am not looking.
Are you enjoying your retirement?
Noni
Not retired yet, movers in today, finish work on Friday. Hope to be in Mumbai before end of the month and then Goa.
Unfortunately it won't be retirement, but it won't be work either.
Regards
Tony P
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Hi Remy
I agree with you, the problem is that we have all been educated by years of immigration and laws against discrimination, we have been taught that everybody has rights and should be treated in the same way.
It is difficult to change these attitudes just because one is in a foreign country and therefore it sits uncomfortably in the mind when people smile and then charge you more because you are different, tell you that you aren't wanted because you are different.
People see foreigners come to the UK and apparently settle, buy property, set up any business they desire, without hindrance from the government or bribes to officials. So when Brits move abroad they automatically feel that they should be treated in a similar manner.
YES, I know this is very simplistic but I would bet that a lot of FNs can empathise with this.
Regards
Tony P
I agree with you, the problem is that we have all been educated by years of immigration and laws against discrimination, we have been taught that everybody has rights and should be treated in the same way.
It is difficult to change these attitudes just because one is in a foreign country and therefore it sits uncomfortably in the mind when people smile and then charge you more because you are different, tell you that you aren't wanted because you are different.
People see foreigners come to the UK and apparently settle, buy property, set up any business they desire, without hindrance from the government or bribes to officials. So when Brits move abroad they automatically feel that they should be treated in a similar manner.
YES, I know this is very simplistic but I would bet that a lot of FNs can empathise with this.
Regards
Tony P
#43
It is really very disturbing with all the progress, globalisation, travel and access to information etc, that few societies actually practice inclusion with genuine care. It is only natural to expect similar treatment abroad especially when those societies claim to be thousands of years in history with better stronger moral and spiritual influences than others. But then can we expect better from a baselessly caste oriented society?
It is sad but a fact of life that people always feel superior to someone else, I get discriminated against because:
I'm old
Male
Heterosexual
Healthy ish
A smoker OMG
A drinker
English
No kids
In work (Well not any longer)
Out of work

Owned my own home (Well not any longer)
Homeless

Educated
Articulate
Literate
Discrimination is caused by the arrogance of the ignorant.
TP
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Joined: Jun 2007
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Hi Wheatsheaf
It is sad but a fact of life that people always feel superior to someone else, I get discriminated against because:
I'm old
Male
Heterosexual
Healthy ish
A smoker OMG
A drinker
English
No kids
In work (Well not any longer)
Out of work
Owned my own home (Well not any longer)
Homeless
Educated
Articulate
Literate
Discrimination is caused by the arrogance of the ignorant.
TP
It is sad but a fact of life that people always feel superior to someone else, I get discriminated against because:
I'm old
Male
Heterosexual
Healthy ish
A smoker OMG
A drinker
English
No kids
In work (Well not any longer)
Out of work

Owned my own home (Well not any longer)
Homeless

Educated
Articulate
Literate
Discrimination is caused by the arrogance of the ignorant.
TP
Yep. Education, experience is what counts. I agree. It is alarming when beautiful places, simple societies, gentle ways of life are destroyed by the ignorant as easily as is happening these days. I dont know a lot but I will miss the Goa thats almost gone and the genuine open tolerance of the UK that is being taken for granted.
#45
I was in a black cab yesterday and the driver tells me that the unlicenced "private hire" cabs don't get pulled in for a 6 monthly vehicle/ driver background checks, etc. Many are being driven by the influx of Eastern European immigrants who do not speak English or know their way around the city so they have a Council paid for interpreter (as well as Sat Nav). Rapes of young inebreiated women are on the increase because of differing cultural interpretations of when "No" means "No", and whether intoxication is an invitation to unconsenting intercourse.
Our Local Council have instructed that all references to Christmas or Christianity be removed from all "Seasonal Greetings" cards they send out for 25th. December.
An English boy applied for a job last week in a UK travel agent and was refused because he cannot speak Punjabi. Surely, that is blatant race discrimination under the Race Discrimination Act, or does that only work in one direction?
Our Local Council website has a dedicated Link for Polish speakers which amongst other things lists their entitlement to benefits, even Child Benefit for their children left in their home countries, and they are claiming twice, st home and in the UK for the same benefit, without checks.
UK companies have instructed employees not to eat at their desks during Ramadam in case it offends Muslim colleagues. All food trolleys and vending machines have temporarily been removed in some companies and government organisations.
School children in Clackmannanshire, Scotland are being given day trip tours of the local mosque "to promote a better understanding and tolerance towards Islam". This follows the conviction and jailing of a jihadist based in the area and plotting to kill and mutilate innocent "infidel" lives. The Muslim minority are not being offered a reciprocal opportunity to visit a Christian Church in order to attempt to integrate to British culture and society.
When a "foreigner" in the UK goes to the supermarket checkout with an item priced say at £15, they are not then charged £30 because their skin tone or language might be different.
End of Daily Mail style rant for the moment!
Our Local Council have instructed that all references to Christmas or Christianity be removed from all "Seasonal Greetings" cards they send out for 25th. December.
An English boy applied for a job last week in a UK travel agent and was refused because he cannot speak Punjabi. Surely, that is blatant race discrimination under the Race Discrimination Act, or does that only work in one direction?
Our Local Council website has a dedicated Link for Polish speakers which amongst other things lists their entitlement to benefits, even Child Benefit for their children left in their home countries, and they are claiming twice, st home and in the UK for the same benefit, without checks.
UK companies have instructed employees not to eat at their desks during Ramadam in case it offends Muslim colleagues. All food trolleys and vending machines have temporarily been removed in some companies and government organisations.
School children in Clackmannanshire, Scotland are being given day trip tours of the local mosque "to promote a better understanding and tolerance towards Islam". This follows the conviction and jailing of a jihadist based in the area and plotting to kill and mutilate innocent "infidel" lives. The Muslim minority are not being offered a reciprocal opportunity to visit a Christian Church in order to attempt to integrate to British culture and society.
When a "foreigner" in the UK goes to the supermarket checkout with an item priced say at £15, they are not then charged £30 because their skin tone or language might be different.
End of Daily Mail style rant for the moment!
Yes but we are complaining about the way our Governnment bows and bends for foreigners.........and at the same time we expect the same treatment in Goa. Tony P hit the nail on the head with this one and i have to agree with him bigtime.
I actually commend Britain for its attitude towards foreigners and i truly believe that many foreigners in Britain are beneficial to the economy with the odd exception. Personally i couldnt give a monkies what Religion, Colour , Creed people are anywhere in the world........i couldnt give a shite if they had two heads and green skin as long as they leave me and mine alone.
India has a lot to learn but like i said before.....where you have extreme poverty, you will have corruption. Once India sorts out the poverty issue it can then and only then tackle the corruption problem.
Regards,
Remy



