Nameless and Faceless
 

I want to live in Goa, India. Why won't they let us? My self and my husband spend ex amount rupees a week, plus so do many more expats We bring in a substantial amount of foreign currency into the local economy. We have retired and want to live in Goa all year round we cost the Goan Government nothing, we pay for everything. even when if we have to pay far more for food and everything else we buy than a Goan. WE ARE SEEN BUT NOT HEARD, here at all, and we never ask questions to what is going on, in case they deport us because they can. So let us The British expats know your feelings on how we are being treated, they don't treat there animals very well, but at this moment in time I think they are better off than us. We have got a two year tourist visa, so we now have to leave Goa every 180 days, so you can imagine what the cost of that is twice a year, and there is only cheap flights for Indians not FNs

At least we can all have our say, to what is happening in Goa, because it is only happening in Goa. I don't believe it's happening anywhere else in India. Well at least they can't take our computers away, they will have to find us first. :curse::curse::curse:





Regards

Re: Nameless and Faceless
 

Hi Wen,

I sort of see where your coming from but..........

Indias visa rules are actually very relaxed compared with most other countries........many of which only allow 30 day tourist visas.
Watch and see how Britain is tightening up its visa and immigration rules including non eec foreigners having to pass a GCSE English exam........how would we cope if we had to pass a Hindi exam?:eek:

Regards,
Remy

Re: Nameless and Faceless
 

Hi Remy

With great difficulty reguarding the Hindi, I know a little. But the trouble with Goa is no one knows the rules. as you no up to this year, there was no problem getting a yearx visa, and now they are stopping postal services from all of the main Indian Embassy's. So what next?:curse:

Re: Nameless and Faceless
 

Hi Wen,

Totally agree with everything you say - although some wont. I've been shot down before by saying tourists put a great deal of money into the Goan economy - I get told about the rich Indians etc. etc. but you and I know they don't put as much into the economy as FN. Neither do they treat the Goans with respect.

Did you read the article I put on Press thread "Ensuring Sustainability of Goan's Tourism" - if the goan politicians carry on they will not have tourists, they will go elsewhere.

Only greed rules in Goa.

What can we do - we can't demonstrate, or we will be in Fort Aguada, no 'noffi :curse: and no visa's?

Have you actually bought?

Let's hope our new member Guatam can guide is with his thoughts.

Regards

Noni

Re: Nameless and Faceless
 

Hi Noni
I rent now, because of the visa situation, we can't demonstrate, but we can say what we think on sites like this, reguarding the thread I haven't but I will.:rofl:

Re: Nameless and Faceless
 

Hi Wen,

To lighten the workload they have outsourced their visa applications to travel agencies around the country and in fairness they posted the change on their website. They have also increased the number of visa surgeries around the UK. I agree this is a bit annoying but i dont think they have done this to annoy us but rather out of necessity.

The x-visa(1 year) has now a 180 day max stay stamp on it, probably because of the amount of FNs trying to use it to obtain residency and purchase property without proving 'intention to stay' or really wanting to. The problem is most of these FNs (myself included) have a place in Goa where they spend a couple of months a year and then return home to their resident country. The Indian government arnt going to give these FNs full residential status and rights for being part timers.

Most property in Goa is being bought now by out of state middle class Indians who are gaining an increasingly high dissposable income and are willing to invest it in property. Basically they dont need us or our money.
They have the fastest growing economy in the world with the fastest rising middle class population in the world and we are way down there in their list of people to please.

Kind Regards,
Remy

Re: Nameless and Faceless
 

Yes I agree with some of what you say, but it's all at an extra charge, which puts quite a lot of money on top of your holiday especially a family of four. I believe the postal visa's aren't closed to Indian Nationals in Britain. I didn't want to be a part timer, I was forced into that by the Goverment, they took my yearx away and gave me a tourist visa, like they have done with a lot of FNs:)

Re: Nameless and Faceless
 

Oh my dearest,

Greed rules the world!

The thing is in India you have a population of over a billion people many of who are poor and many who are also literally starving to death......such circumstances breeds corruption and India is not alone in this.

OMG look at Africa (Sudan) and what that monster is doing in Darfur.

I have said this before but our plight of trying to obtain 'citizenship' in India is minuscule compared with Indias real problems. We cant buy there and then dictate our terms to them and expect them to compromise every time......im afraid it wont happen.
I also feel that if we rock the boat too much the door will close even further especially with what is happening between Britain and India at the moment regarding visas and immigration.

What can we really offer Goa that will make them change their mind?
apart from more consumption of Kingfisher, more taxis and rickshaws, higher demand for narcotics (including viagra etc) and an increase in people trafficing to satisfy the lustful demands of FNs. Of course this is not us all.......but its happening......and many FNs have been caught red handed and indeed deported for their involvement in crime.

So if they dont really need our money or our lifestyle then what can we contribute to the tiny state of Goa to make them change their mind?

:wub:
Remy

Re: Nameless and Faceless
 

Yes Wen,
x-visas have been restricted to 1 year with max stay 180 days for the reasons i have already given.
All UK Indians have to also apply through the outsourcing agencies unless they hold a valid PIO/OCI Card or Indian Passport.;)

Regards,
Remy

Re: Nameless and Faceless
 

Hi All,
So many points to discuss, so many questions, so many problems.
One can only speak from a personal view, but I do feel that the majority of FNs who want to live in Goa all year do contribute to the Goan society and economy, they are not tourists, they want to be "Goan" but if they actually become Indian they lose their UK pensions and other rights that they have paid for over the years.
No one appears to be asking for a return to colonial attitudes, they would just like the opportunity to fit into the village, town etc and live their own lives in a lawful way. Reminds me of the 60s/70s in England when Asians who had been thrown out of Uganda etc started to move in, all the attitudes of the indigenous population and the immigrants are mirrored in the current situation in Goa.
I don't have answers to these problems at least none that I would post on this site.
Maybe when we all get together would be a time to make suggestions as to what may be feasible.
Hope to see you soon
Tony P

Re: Nameless and Faceless
 

Hi Wen,

It is lovely to have a rant, you feel so much better. Take it out on the keyboard. As you all can see I have not been sleeping much lately, and come and play on the 'puter, in the early hours. I think I got all my anger :curse:out when Douglas was around.

Noni

Re: Nameless and Faceless
 

Hi Tony
I realy no theres nothing can be done, theres a lot of FNs here just want a quiet life, they havn't come to work or do anything illegal, just have a nice life, and it looked like it was going to happen, then s:curse:h:curse:i:curse:t happened:curse:

Re: Nameless and Faceless
 

:wub: Remy

Now I know what to buy your for Christmas "Viagra".:rofl:

FN's who resort to crime should be deported immediately, as should the foreign criminals in our country - but what do we do - keep them here, feed, house, cloth, eductate, give them money. Will we get free medical/hospital treatment out there - no way.

Certain fractions of the ethnic minority in this country dictate terms, we are too lenient.

All Wen wants, like the rest of us is to live in Goa in peace, none of us are asking for them to finance us.

If as being said, we cannot, or should not have bought in Goa, why are the developers/advocates/estate agents/registras not being prosecuted for selling to us, and registering our deeds - to me it seems all onesided.

As far as we were concerned when we bought, we were allowed to, we had the right visa, stayed in India the required time, remitted the finances through the banking system etc. etc. So whatever any of you say, from day one the ball goes back to the top of the chain.

No we cannot demonstrate, and we would be foolish to do so, but we can
have a good rant.

There that's better :blink: :o :sneaky:

noni

p.s. have now taken cover under the computer table.

Re: Nameless and Faceless
 

Here Here Noni
Very well wrote, and obviously, they are still saying you can buy in Goa and we won't change that neither. In effect I don't want to change anything, I love my life, I just want to know how people feel about this whole damned mess, because like you said nearly everyone that has bought thought they had the right to buy:blink:

Re: Nameless and Faceless
 

Hi Tony,

Let me take on the roll of an Indian Government tourist official for this post.
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Wanting to be Goan dosnt give you the right to be Goan.
Like you say many people dont want to give up their UK status,pension rights etc etc.

But you cant serve two masters........and what is the real differance between a tourist who stays for two weeks and one who stays for a year?

The one who stays for two weeks is more likely to be a frequent visitor and be a higher spender than the long term one. A long termer knows how to budget and make their money stretch. They 'eat in' more and shop at supermarkets. They dont rely on puplic transport to the same degree as many have their own bikes and cars. They rent accomodation or 'purchase' and dont use 4 or 5 star hotels. They dont go on official government guided tours. They let their families and friends use 'their' accomodation which dosent benefit the hotel tourist sector.

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Basically they dont want longtermers which is sad for us. I like most of you want to be a longtermer in Goa but because i want it doesnt mean it'll happen. All countries have some sort of visa/right to abode restrictions.......India is not an exception and a lot of countries including the UK change and ammend these rules regularly again India is no exception.

Short term/ high spenders is what they really want........hence all these floating casinos now appearing. They want this to be the new mecca and us hippie, budget buyers simply arnt included in their plans.:frown:

Regards,
Remy