johnny five

There was a big debate back in the 90's as to whether Goa was liberated or invaded. I seem to remember it ended up in the high court of India and have vague recollections of the court ruling in favour of "invasion". At the time the UN was very critical of India's excessive use of force, a true sledge-hammer to crack a walnut situation, and a good opportunity for India to flex its muscles and show how tough it could be to neighbouring countries. By 1961 the Portuguese were so weak, ans stretched to the limit colonially, a good "BOO!" would probably have sent the actual colonial forces scuttling back home, despite Salazar's bull and bluster.
Therefore it is more than possible that the UN still records Goa as occupied...........in many ways it is!


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wheatsheaf

[QUOTE=johnny five;8629562]Its not that I "say" Goa is a state not a nation........it is a fact!

What benefit is to be derived from "accepting" a total inaccuracy?

Surely that is going down the same road as the buffoons that run Goa, who frequently behave as if the place is a sovereign nation by passing/enacting laws in a cavalier and haphazard manner, usually illegally within the constitution of India of which they are a part.

What reason would anyone have for pretending that Goa is a nation? What would be its national identity? Portuguese names, facial characteristics, buildings, Catholicism........probably better to consider it still a colony of Portugal then?

There is a benefit, and it has nothing to do with colonialism, or political aspirations locally. But it creates a better understanding of the whats whys and wherefores. It is a huge mistake to ignore the realities of Goan history and its societal makeup which is very different from the rest of India. It is foolish in fact.

johnny five

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on a completely different note;

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news...llionares.html

Read it and weep.................


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Return of Santan

Well done J5 for spotting this outrage and this is on the back of the BBCs Humphery Hawkselys piece on the British aided toilet blocks that were built in Bombay ( not P.C "Mumbai" ) and then sold off privately
One of the authors of the News of the World piece Gethin Chamberlain, has been known to look at expats now and then and wrote a piece for the Guardian sometime in April about Goa, he is very much on our side
May I suggest to ALL( yes even you "peepers" )to flood the News of the World with our stories ?

K-C

prestonjohn

Just read the report in Goan Voice and it does not surprise me one bit. What i find surprising though is the complete silence from Goan newspapers..! Not a peep from these guardians of law and order, not a peep from the all the NGOs involved in fighting corruption in the state. Are they all that embarrassed because it involves children and foriegn aid ? Or the fact that the money has been coming from the British Isles, the place where most of the ex pats originate from and the place which, according to the Goan government, the place where most of their supposed troubles that plague Goa emanate from. Dole Tourism, Paedophiles and Sex Tourists,Loutish drunken Chavs...etc....But not outright thieving, that's an Goan Indian speciality and from the scale of it, it would seem they have taken it to a university degree level.

noni

This is totally disgusting. For what it is worth I have sent a copy of the article to Simon and also the political team in Dehli.

noni

Just received this from HCI also putting it on the HCI comment thread

the Proforma has been approved by the GoG and is now on our website. We would be grateful if you could post this message on the British Expat Forum (if its not posted already).

''Dear British Nationals,following a further meeting with officials we are pleased to inform you that the Government of Goa has agreed to look at individual property cases involving British nationals. As many of you will know we have been developing a proforma for this, which can now be found at the following link http://ukinindia.fco.gov.uk/en/help-...ving-in-india/ Whilst we take on board your concerns, we would encourage you all to use this form so that the Government of Goa can review and hopefully find a way forward on your particular case. Completed forms should be sent to us only at the following address [email protected].
This message has been sent out to registrants on Locate in Goa only and posted on the British Expat Forum portal. We would be grateful if you could bring this to the attention of any British national you know who does not use these two methods of communication.

Many thanks and looking forward to working more closely with you,
From the Political and Consular Teams''

We would encourage British nationals to use this Proforma as we do have a commitment from the GoG to review cases based on it.

noni

Goa: Going, going, gone

13 Jun: Deccan Chronicle. The beaches of Goa are slowly but surely being claimed by the Arabian Sea. Experts say that in another 30 years the sea will rise by 38 metres, thus effectively wiping out one of India’s prime tourist destinations. Global warming is, as usual, the culprit
www.goanvoice.org.uk

Return of Santan

I think if the sea rises by 38 , 38 metres we will all be in the briny ( or at least under it !)

K-C

a_f_d

and if the sea rises there will still be beaches, and they'll still be where land meets sea - there'll just be more sea and less land!

AndyD 8-)#

wheatsheaf

watch the billionaire Indians: they will be planting hundreds of river princesses all along the coastline of Goa to protect their ill gotten beachfront properties/

dreadsoc

Do you mean the Indian billionaires who put nothing back into their own country to help the poor and needy and leave the British to help their people ? ----- oh and then display outright racist hatred towards the same British who help their people?????!!!!

Dread - oh the irony
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wheatsheaf

they will never put anything into anything other than their own pockets. Many say Indians are racist, and castist, and religious bigots. Whatever the case,no one should be surprised at the "discovery" of millions of charitable monies being lost to their very own Indian 'administrators'. There is no honesty and less scruples. Which is why Mahatma Gandhi focused on it so much in his day.

noni

UK: ‘Education aid to India blown on luxuries’

15 Jun: Herald.

Shocked by reports of massive embezzlement in India in the use of millions of pounds granted as aid for education, Britain today promised “zero tolerance to corruption” and launched an “immediate inquiry”… Large amounts of money were spent on schools that reportedly did not exist, while in some cases air conditioners, faxes, photocopiers and 7,531 colour television sets were reportedly bought despite there being no electricity supplies…

wheatsheaf

Brits would be shocked, BUT no one in India is. Donors should ask for incorrigible Indian counterparts......then there will be zero charitable activity and billions of dollars saved.