What you can expect from the NHS...

Two patients limp into different health care centres with the same complaint.
Both have trouble walking and appear to require a hip replacement.

The first patient is examined within the hour, is x-rayed the same day then gets booked for surgery the following week.

The second sees the family doctor after waiting a week for an appointment, then waits eighteen weeks to see a specialist, then gets an x-ray, which isn't reviewed for another month and finally has his surgery scheduled for a year from then.

Why the different treatment for the two patients?


The first one is Golden Retriever,
the second is a Senior Citizen

That could just as easily be anywhere in Canada.

Although Alberta has made some very significant improvements in hip replacement surgeries of late.

That being said I have absolutely no room to complain about any of my heart related visits to emergency in Calgary over the last ten years. The service I have received has always been exemplary.

Cheers
Steve

Coz one is Completely Private and the other isn't.

I was just waiting of someone saying the NHS is "Free" {aye, if you're an asylum seeker, it is} but not for folks who have worked 40-50 years, worked themselves down to the {hip} bone, then like that poor sod last night {on TV} die in agony from MRSA, after 50 years of NHS contributions.

I wonder what treatment folks would get Privately if they'd paid their money into {say} BUPA for the last 50 years, rather than the NHS ?

I know this aint "scientific" it isn't meant to be, just reflecting sardonically on the situation...

Be nice to be treated better than a dog though hey...

Canada Bob.

So for 50 years paying in, the guy never every used the NHS or got any Benefits. NHS is paid for out of NI contributions right. So just like BUPA theres no yearly refund but unlike bupa once you reach retirement and you have paid your contributions you don't have to keep paying the high costs.


If you had paid in to BUPA for 50 years you'd get what you paid for this year not what you paid in for 50 years. Differences is it would be a darn sight more than NI contributions.

It is unfortunate that someone had to suffer but on the same hand would we pay for enough doctors and nurses to sit around waiting for patients to walk in be treated and sent home. No then sorry there is a queue and a waiting list and bad things happen.



----------------

As for the getting treated better than "a dog" your talking about "A" dog who has owners that spend THEIR money on it. Millions of other animals just suffer or are put down because thats all their owners can afford so the wait isn't to bad for most of us is it?



Note I never said NHS was free I said it wasn't Private.
Vets are waiting and ready to do this kind off expensive surgery as soon as the part is delivered.

Wasn't intent on winding you {or anyone else} up Grah it was {as mentioned} a sardonic reflection on how folks fail to get treated better than dogs in the Untidy Kingdom. Lighten up a bit Grah, it's not homework your marking...

Canada Bob.

It might have been a sardonic reflection and I for one take your point but it's not really all that accurate because of course many,many people get very good treatment from the NHS and I value it more now than I ever did before I moved to Canada.

i agree that the many people get very good treatment on the NHS, and I see many examples evry day atwork. I may be trying to move to canada but thats not because the NHS fails its patients. I know people who work in Canadian healthcare and they have problems to, they have MRSA, they are shortstaffed etc etc.

THe NHS is not funded by NI contributions they pay for benefits -The NHS is funded by taxes, your right to treatment is based on pemanent residency in the UK.

As far as the dog- if the owner didnt have the money then he could be put down. we dot do that to our patients, we treat them and go into debt. Healthcare is expensive and I think we need to pay more taxes to fund it properly

I hope you are never in the position where you have to flee your country for fear of your life. I hope your country never starts executing homosexuals, or sends agents round to your house to torture your wife because of what you wrote in a newspaper. Because it would be terrible if when you arrived in a safe country you found that the ignorant morons resident there thought you shouldn't be given medicine, housing and food.

K.

Obviously you missed the point, even though I pointed it out it was a sardonic reflection on life in the Untidy Kingdom.

Why do I think it's bollocks when folks say "I hope you" when really they mean given the opportunity to wish something on you, they would.

Let me know which country YOU have in mind where they execute homosexuals ? we seem to be doing quite well on that front over here, or don't you read the papers. How many countries experience such violence towards them they they are forced to legislate for Hate Crimes.

What's this "arriving in a safe country" bollocks, when folks travel across half of Europe until they find a country with Council Houses rent free that is.

Regarding free issue of housing, food, and medicine, well, I'm from the old brigade where I'd be looking after my own countrymen first, rather than paying them the worst proportionate pensions in the EEC.

Put it this way, Saudi Arabia is one of the richest countries on the planet,
yet they don't give free houses, food or medicine to anyone {other than their own}, maybe that's why illegal aliens and asylum seekers don't head there ?

Get real, the UK is seen as a soft touch because of folks who are soft in the head, and so up their own, with political correctness that anyone speaking "their mind" is jumped on with ferocity.

The point about freedom of speech is that I'm entitled to my view of what's going on and object to it. There's no obligation for me to fall in line with your humourless rigid tedious PC opinions.

Tell you what, make me a list of countries with reciprocal agreements where we can go and expect free housing, food and medications, and live the rest of our lives out on Benefits...

These Benefits aren't free, they have been worked for and paid for by the majority of folks here in the UK, yet when THEY find themselves in need they are bottom of the ladder.

Charity begins at home, we should look after our own folks first and then look as to the needs of others.

Loosen up, my opinion is as valid as yours, live with it...

Canada Bob.

I guess the point is, systems are supposed to get better over a period of years, the NHS has got worse... for whatever reasons, but whatever the reasons the buck stops on the desk of the PM and his Government, that's what Governments is supposed to be all about, betterment of the country for all of it's people, yet with a {so called} socialist Government we see the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer, that's a fact...

Should mention though that I'm left wing, yet I have no affiliation with this shower... If Harold Wilson was alive today.. he'd be turning in his grave...

Canada Bob.

I'm glad that someone had the wit to read between the lines, it's nauseating when folks are so much up their own that they feel obligated to correct any comments made in this or other forums as though they were marking homework ! What the bleedin hell is up with these half wits, they need to loosen up, get a life, read between the bleedin lines, sigh...

Canada Bob.

If you publish a polemic you should be willing to defend the views expressed. Your comparison of the treatment of people and dogs is fatuous; even given the unlimited funding the dog has a person will still get treatment under the NHS that is unavailable to the dog. My mother has just had her hip replaced at the age of 82; they give up treating dogs long before they get similarly old.

Reading between the lines of your post attacking asylum seekers I discern attitudes ill suited to someone using "Canada" as part of his poster name. Canada is about immigration, it's not a place where one's "countrymen come first" as there are no countrymen, they're all dead. What there is now is immigrants, the very people you don't seem to like in the UK.

Your opinion may be valid, Ernst Zundel's opinion is valid, but it's out of step with Canada and, indeed, it's out of step with civilization. It is however, nicely in accord with the Daily Mail; fortunately there's now an overseas edition of that paper.

Afghanistan does. So does Jamaica (although not officially). In Iraq you can get shot for selling falafels.

I think they have to legislate for hate crimes when people take their information from BNP leaflets.

Well that would be just dandy if the asylum seekers were allowed to work and pay taxes like the rest of us. But Daily Mail readers made that politically impossible.

I agree with you on one point. You are old school: it hasn't been the EEC for 15 years. It's the European Union. EU.

No, I wanted to point out that you used the phrase "asylum seeker" as a term of abuse. You demonized a whole class of people without knowing anything about their predicament. The best education you could receive is for you yourself to be a victim of the kind of abuse these people are fleeing. Short of me coming around to your house and attaching electrodes to your testicles, I can't see that happening in the UK for the time being.

Well, sort of. You aren't allowed to incite racial hatred.

Any country signed up to the UN convention on the rights of refugees will provide for refugees. Canada will. The UK will. France, Sweden, Germany, Italy will. New Zealand will.

Well, I bet I've paid more tax you. So do I get preferential treatment over you? No. I get taxed according to my earnings, and other people receive according to their need. I think I pay too much tax, as it happens, and I think the Government is way too keen to chuck my (and your) money in places it isn't needed. But I don't have any problem helping people fleeing torture get back on their feet. Once they are on their feet, they get treated just like everyone else.

Nope, charity begins with need.

K.

<Awaits arrival of Corky and CitySlicker to beat back swarms of dusky asylum seekers.>