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Old Dec 14th 2010 | 6:47 am
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Originally Posted by JonboyE
This really. Part of the value of this site is to provide information for people considering emigration or who are newly arrived. If we can balance the OP's unfortunate experience with our own it hopefully gives them a more complete picture of what to expect.

Granted, however if you read through the replies I am not sure it does give a true or complete picture of what to expect. Most replies where in retaliation to the OP's obvious dig at Canadian life after only 5mths.

Whatever reason the original post was put on for, it resulted in 'attacks' from many who replied it. I doubt that the next person who has only been here a short time, and is feeling depressed, isolated, or disillusioned would make the same mistake of posting.

I felt all of the above when I first arrived to Canada as many people do - yes its not easy settling into a new environment, and people deal with this differently. Some go back, but most move forward and enjoy what is on offer.
 
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Originally Posted by taichiiqueen
Again, I did ask for general advise and opinions.Really wanted to know what others experiences have been.So far, think there has been about 5 postings that have offered their experience, the rest have dived on me like rabid dogs.FFS
The advice I would (did) offer is that five months is too soon to make a decision. Read up on culture shock and home sickness and you will understand why what you feel is almost typical. It may change with more time, it may not, but now is not the time to make any decisions. Might be worth looking at school options though, as many others have said. 3h of homework is not typical AFAIK.

If you post in a public forum you have to be prepared to take the rough with the smooth, and some of the less sugar coated comments come from people who have useful experience of the process. Generally people post here to share the benefit of their experience and to try and help others as they have been helped in the past by passing on their experience, both good and bad.

If anyone is abusive feel free to hit the [!] report button. I have not bothered to go through several pages of posts.

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And hopefully seeking medical help for your son
Just to update you, didn't need medical help for my son, just to get him out of Canada. BUT would have if we had stayed there.
 
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Originally Posted by taichiiqueen
Only been here for 5 months, and now even OH is fed up.

Have tried to stick it out and realise lifestyle is better but...
12 yr old is getting depressed,at least 3 pieces of homework every night,
children don't do anything apart from extra curricular activities they never hang out,
trying to mix with locals and just get empty gestures of we will have to...,
was promised lots of support and help from OH company- it never happened I ended up doing most of it,
still waiting for my certificates to be assessed so I can get a job,
OH hasnt been warm for 2 months - he hates the cold.

BUT

do we go back to the doom and gloom of UK
rising taxes
general lethargy

ARRRGGHH!!!!!!!!!

Rock and a hard place.
Some general advise would be appreciated.We have had this down before, but it doesn't seem to get any easier.Is it worth it????
I share your sentiments exactly, as we too are in the same boat. 6 months and looking to go back. The kids have lost their identity, and no longer 'enjoy' being kids. They miss friends, and the happy go lucky children we raised (15, and 12 yrs old), now just seem to go through each day with no spark, bacause the kids are not happy, the OH is also finding it difficult to settle, which has a knock on effect on the whole family.

I just wish that some of the people for who it has worked out, would take a moment to understand that one size does not fit all, some will try and love it, others will say that this is not for us. I find that some posters see a decision to return to where you came from as an attack on Canada, it is not. I notice some saying that you are using your kids as scapegoats, well hey, isn't the happiness of the kids exactly the reason that you originally made the decision to try and better your life. I for one can state hand on heart that even if myself and my wife didn't like it here at all, if the kids settled quickly and 'enjoyed' life here, we would give it as long as it took for us to come round.

Do what you feel is right, and be happy. I would NEVER discourage anyone from emigrating, and I would certainly say to any one who tries it, and then goes back, at least you tried. The only things in life that you will regret, are the things that you could have done, but didn't. Happiness must follow you where ever you go, if it doesn't, it may well be time to take a step back to the last place you left it.

Best of Luck.
 
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Originally Posted by mutley_hound
Happiness must follow you where ever you go, if it doesn't, it may well be time to take a step back to the last place you left it.

Best of Luck.
Most sensible thing I have read on here for ages.
 
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I think everyone should do what is best for them, when you post on this site you are looking for the honest views of people who have went through it and have no links to you so they are biased.

I would honestly say 6 months is not long enough but that is me - we have been here 4 years tomorrow and for the first time last week I had doubts. Reason, my parents were over and implied it might be the last time they come. I had said I would never go back not even for a holiday but now I am rethinking it. I think I will stick with my original decision but it has made me think.

My children were younger when they came 14 months and 6 years. Beverley now aged 10 feels she went backwards when she started school but now she is on an even par and enjoying life here. Damien knows no different. they are both thriving at school/nursery and in life. We have yet joined all the clubs we would like due to only one of us working but we will get there.

Do what you feel si right for you but be sure, be very sure, as you worked so hard to get here - have you REALLY given it your best - have you really made a true effort. Nothing worse to go back to what the UK has become and realise you made a mistake.
 
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Originally Posted by mutley_hound
I share your sentiments exactly, as we too are in the same boat. 6 months and looking to go back. The kids have lost their identity, and no longer 'enjoy' being kids. They miss friends, and the happy go lucky children we raised (15, and 12 yrs old), now just seem to go through each day with no spark, bacause the kids are not happy, the OH is also finding it difficult to settle, which has a knock on effect on the whole family.

I just wish that some of the people for who it has worked out, would take a moment to understand that one size does not fit all, some will try and love it, others will say that this is not for us. I find that some posters see a decision to return to where you came from as an attack on Canada, it is not. I notice some saying that you are using your kids as scapegoats, well hey, isn't the happiness of the kids exactly the reason that you originally made the decision to try and better your life. I for one can state hand on heart that even if myself and my wife didn't like it here at all, if the kids settled quickly and 'enjoyed' life here, we would give it as long as it took for us to come round.

Do what you feel is right, and be happy. I would NEVER discourage anyone from emigrating, and I would certainly say to any one who tries it, and then goes back, at least you tried. The only things in life that you will regret, are the things that you could have done, but didn't. Happiness must follow you where ever you go, if it doesn't, it may well be time to take a step back to the last place you left it.

Best of Luck.
I have just spent my Sat evening reading this post, very interesting. ( sad i know) Emigrating is hard enough with children, let alone trying it with teenagers. My kids were 8 and 5 when we came and slotted in nicely. Funny though, my youngest only said a few days ago, what would his life have been like if we had stayed in the UK, and just think he would never have known his friends here if we had. Kids adjust quickly if the age is good to do, over 10, I think is harder, hormones kick in and make life hard let alone a different country to deal with. I wish everybody all the luck, and if you have teenagers, well, Im told it will only get better. (when they leave)
 
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Originally Posted by mutley_hound
I share your sentiments exactly, as we too are in the same boat. 6 months and looking to go back. The kids have lost their identity, and no longer 'enjoy' being kids. They miss friends, and the happy go lucky children we raised (15, and 12 yrs old), now just seem to go through each day with no spark, bacause the kids are not happy, the OH is also finding it difficult to settle, which has a knock on effect on the whole family.

I just wish that some of the people for who it has worked out, would take a moment to understand that one size does not fit all, some will try and love it, others will say that this is not for us. I find that some posters see a decision to return to where you came from as an attack on Canada, it is not. I notice some saying that you are using your kids as scapegoats, well hey, isn't the happiness of the kids exactly the reason that you originally made the decision to try and better your life. I for one can state hand on heart that even if myself and my wife didn't like it here at all, if the kids settled quickly and 'enjoyed' life here, we would give it as long as it took for us to come round.

Do what you feel is right, and be happy. I would NEVER discourage anyone from emigrating, and I would certainly say to any one who tries it, and then goes back, at least you tried. The only things in life that you will regret, are the things that you could have done, but didn't. Happiness must follow you where ever you go, if it doesn't, it may well be time to take a step back to the last place you left it.

Best of Luck.
Its a personal thing! I lived for 3 years in Cyprus and hated it the moment I landed. I even went back 13 years later to see if I would feel differently but all those old feelings came back. Horses for courses. Everyday I had people telling me how lucky I was but I was miserable and losing myself and my identity. Just because you live in a beautiful country doesn't automatically make for a great life. Good luck with everything
 
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Hi,
IMHO, I think in your own mind you know if something is not right. We have been here for 5 years and lived in 2 different provinces but have decided that Canada is probably not for us. We are also pulling the pin and leaving Canada because we just can't see ourselves in old age here for various reasons that I wont bore you with. I wish everyone who has come here and found their own little niche in life the very best of luck but for some people Canada is not what they want nor will it ever be. However, I will also point out that I may not be the best at giving advice on permanency in a certain geographical location as I do have a somewhat chequered history of moving.

In our 5 years here we have met various people who have had differing attitudes towards Canada. Some have been very pro and some very anti for various and valid reasons relating to their own situation. What is for certain is that coming to Canada now is different to coming to Canada 5 years ago and I think that some advice you may get by some will be based on the process of moving to Canada a few years ago and which is not necessarily relevant to moving here today, again my opinion.

I have lived in both Australia and Canada and I have found (again totally my own opinion) that it is a totally different type of expat that goes to Canada and stays than one that goes and stays in Oz, not better or worse but certainly different. Because of this, I also think that for some, unhappiness in Canada is definitely dis positional and not situational and that for some, no length of time will make them happy here.

Some of those who have move here recently will know the hoops that one now has to jump through compared to a few years ago. Some may feel that perhaps what they may or may not gain in Canada is not worth what they may or may not have lost in your home country. It is not until a person does move that they can fully assess the gains or losses made. This process is highly subjective and usually very individually specific to the person experiencing or assessing it and can only be done whilst "On the ground"

In my opinion someone who comes onto expats and honestly expresses their true feelings especially when many are afraid to for whatever reason, deserves a big pat on the back and the respect of those expats yet to experience hardships. I think that honest posts such as this are absolutely essential to let others see that problems can and do arise and that it is perfectly fine and acceptable not to be happy sometimes and realise that immigrating is not necessarily always in everyone's best interests.

I have met some who simply can't afford to go back and others who feel that they have made their bed so they will have to lie in it. There also some others who pretend that they are well off but are really are doing it tough and won't admit it. There are also many I suspect who are suffering in silence here but think that they will be seen as a failure if they leave after telling everyone how great things will be in Canada. Then there are those who truly absolutely love it here and don't want to be anywhere else. I personally believe that if you are unhappy just do what will make you happy whatever that may be.

Do not let yourself be brow beaten one way or another and do what you feel is right for you. I don't think that a person necessarily needs to be in a place for many years or even have to stay for a few years to know that they just don't want to be there. I admire those who can come on here and lay out their inner most feelings as sometimes British expats can be a very tough and unsympathetic audience due a really strict party line that a few people on expats always feel compelled follow even if they really secretly disagree with the official line that "Thou shalt not be unhappy Canada in for any reason personal or otherwise and if you are, do not under any circumstances publicly express it or thou shalt be known as a decenter who will be forever cast from the clique" .

Some people but certainly not all, base their advice on their own situation or on this party line without fully understanding the posters situation. Moreover, there are also those who think that you must be doing something wrong and that you are to blame because you are not happy in a certain place and that it is what you make it. This type of opinion is utter nonsense and not even worthy of a response. Finally and thankfully, there is also the majority on expats who offer advice which is straight from the heart be it right or wrong but with really good and genuine intentions. It is because of this differing types of advice that you should ultimately do what you think is in your own best interest.

I wish you the very best of luck and hope you find what makes you happy
J
 
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Originally Posted by jjanj
Hi,
IMHO, I think in your own mind you know if something is not right. We have been here for 5 years and lived in 2 different provinces but have decided that Canada is probably not for us. We are also pulling the pin and leaving Canada because we just can't see ourselves in old age here for various reasons that I wont bore you with. I wish everyone who has come here and found their own little niche in life the very best of luck but for some people Canada is not what they want nor will it ever be. However, I will also point out that I may not be the best at giving advice on permanency in a certain geographical location as I do have a somewhat chequered history of moving.

In our 5 years here we have met various people who have had differing attitudes towards Canada. Some have been very pro and some very anti for various and valid reasons relating to their own situation. What is for certain is that coming to Canada now is different to coming to Canada 5 years ago and I think that some advice you may get by some will be based on the process of moving to Canada a few years ago and which is not necessarily relevant to moving here today, again my opinion.

I have lived in both Australia and Canada and I have found (again totally my own opinion) that it is a totally different type of expat that goes to Canada and stays than one that goes and stays in Oz, not better or worse but certainly different. Because of this, I also think that for some, unhappiness in Canada is definitely dis positional and not situational and that for some, no length of time will make them happy here.

Some of those who have move here recently will know the hoops that one now has to jump through compared to a few years ago. Some may feel that perhaps what they may or may not gain in Canada is not worth what they may or may not have lost in your home country. It is not until a person does move that they can fully assess the gains or losses made. This process is highly subjective and usually very individually specific to the person experiencing or assessing it and can only be done whilst "On the ground"

In my opinion someone who comes onto expats and honestly expresses their true feelings especially when many are afraid to for whatever reason, deserves a big pat on the back and the respect of those expats yet to experience hardships. I think that honest posts such as this are absolutely essential to let others see that problems can and do arise and that it is perfectly fine and acceptable not to be happy sometimes and realise that immigrating is not necessarily always in everyone's best interests.

I have met some who simply can't afford to go back and others who feel that they have made their bed so they will have to lie in it. There also some others who pretend that they are well off but are really are doing it tough and won't admit it. There are also many I suspect who are suffering in silence here but think that they will be seen as a failure if they leave after telling everyone how great things will be in Canada. Then there are those who truly absolutely love it here and don't want to be anywhere else. I personally believe that if you are unhappy just do what will make you happy whatever that may be.

Do not let yourself be brow beaten one way or another and do what you feel is right for you. I don't think that a person necessarily needs to be in a place for many years or even have to stay for a few years to know that they just don't want to be there. I admire those who can come on here and lay out their inner most feelings as sometimes British expats can be a very tough and unsympathetic audience due a really strict party line that a few people on expats always feel compelled follow even if they really secretly disagree with the official line that "Thou shalt not be unhappy Canada in for any reason personal or otherwise and if you are, do not under any circumstances publicly express it or thou shalt be known as a decenter who will be forever cast from the clique" .

Some people but certainly not all, base their advice on their own situation or on this party line without fully understanding the posters situation. Moreover, there are also those who think that you must be doing something wrong and that you are to blame because you are not happy in a certain place and that it is what you make it. This type of opinion is utter nonsense and not even worthy of a response. Finally and thankfully, there is also the majority on expats who offer advice which is straight from the heart be it right or wrong but with really good and genuine intentions. It is because of this differing types of advice that you should ultimately do what you think is in your own best interest.

I wish you the very best of luck and hope you find what makes you happy
J
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Originally Posted by jjanj
Hi,
IMHO, I think in your own mind you know if something is not right. We have been here for 5 years and lived in 2 different provinces but have decided that Canada is probably not for us. We are also pulling the pin and leaving Canada because we just can't see ourselves in old age here for various reasons that I wont bore you with. I wish everyone who has come here and found their own little niche in life the very best of luck but for some people Canada is not what they want nor will it ever be. However, I will also point out that I may not be the best at giving advice on permanency in a certain geographical location as I do have a somewhat chequered history of moving.

In our 5 years here we have met various people who have had differing attitudes towards Canada. Some have been very pro and some very anti for various and valid reasons relating to their own situation. What is for certain is that coming to Canada now is different to coming to Canada 5 years ago and I think that some advice you may get by some will be based on the process of moving to Canada a few years ago and which is not necessarily relevant to moving here today, again my opinion.

I have lived in both Australia and Canada and I have found (again totally my own opinion) that it is a totally different type of expat that goes to Canada and stays than one that goes and stays in Oz, not better or worse but certainly different. Because of this, I also think that for some, unhappiness in Canada is definitely dis positional and not situational and that for some, no length of time will make them happy here.

Some of those who have move here recently will know the hoops that one now has to jump through compared to a few years ago. Some may feel that perhaps what they may or may not gain in Canada is not worth what they may or may not have lost in your home country. It is not until a person does move that they can fully assess the gains or losses made. This process is highly subjective and usually very individually specific to the person experiencing or assessing it and can only be done whilst "On the ground"

In my opinion someone who comes onto expats and honestly expresses their true feelings especially when many are afraid to for whatever reason, deserves a big pat on the back and the respect of those expats yet to experience hardships. I think that honest posts such as this are absolutely essential to let others see that problems can and do arise and that it is perfectly fine and acceptable not to be happy sometimes and realise that immigrating is not necessarily always in everyone's best interests.

I have met some who simply can't afford to go back and others who feel that they have made their bed so they will have to lie in it. There also some others who pretend that they are well off but are really are doing it tough and won't admit it. There are also many I suspect who are suffering in silence here but think that they will be seen as a failure if they leave after telling everyone how great things will be in Canada. Then there are those who truly absolutely love it here and don't want to be anywhere else. I personally believe that if you are unhappy just do what will make you happy whatever that may be.

Do not let yourself be brow beaten one way or another and do what you feel is right for you. I don't think that a person necessarily needs to be in a place for many years or even have to stay for a few years to know that they just don't want to be there. I admire those who can come on here and lay out their inner most feelings as sometimes British expats can be a very tough and unsympathetic audience due a really strict party line that a few people on expats always feel compelled follow even if they really secretly disagree with the official line that "Thou shalt not be unhappy Canada in for any reason personal or otherwise and if you are, do not under any circumstances publicly express it or thou shalt be known as a decenter who will be forever cast from the clique" .

Some people but certainly not all, base their advice on their own situation or on this party line without fully understanding the posters situation. Moreover, there are also those who think that you must be doing something wrong and that you are to blame because you are not happy in a certain place and that it is what you make it. This type of opinion is utter nonsense and not even worthy of a response. Finally and thankfully, there is also the majority on expats who offer advice which is straight from the heart be it right or wrong but with really good and genuine intentions. It is because of this differing types of advice that you should ultimately do what you think is in your own best interest.

I wish you the very best of luck and hope you find what makes you happy
J
well put!!!
 
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Originally Posted by mardyarse
well said you, the voice of reason
Originally Posted by shelley748
well put!!!
Yes, apart from this ...

Originally Posted by jjanj
... British expats can be a very tough and unsympathetic audience due a really strict party line that a few people on expats always feel compelled follow even if they really secretly disagree with the official line that "Thou shalt not be unhappy Canada in for any reason personal or otherwise and if you are, do not under any circumstances publicly express it or thou shalt be known as a decenter who will be forever cast from the clique" ...
A very good post ruined by a silly comment. Unless, that is, the moderators forgot to send me the memo on the party line.
 
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Originally Posted by JonboyE
Yes, apart from this ...



A very good post ruined by a silly comment. Unless, that is, the moderators forgot to send me the memo on the party line.
I don't think that you understood my post, read it again slowly. That's my last word on the matter.

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I thought the bit about decentering was very interesting.
 
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I thought the bit about decentering was very interesting.
Sorry bad spelling and very well spotted, it should have read dissenter, I will try to do better in future. Also thanks to you, the last post was now my second last word on the matter.
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