Second Class Citizen
Oct 29th 2019 | 8:33 am
#106
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Re: Second Class Citizen
the employees at this store might have felt 2nd class when being yelled at.
https://vancouversun.com/news/local-...aby-drug-store
https://vancouversun.com/news/local-...aby-drug-store
https://globalnews.ca/news/6091196/facebook-investigating-19000-member-anti-muslim-group/
Just have to keep calling out this behavior really.
Nov 12th 2019 | 5:55 am
#107
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From: Toronto, Canada
Re: Second Class Citizen
Yes, this happened to me. Wasted 11 years here (my supposed peak earning years from my mid-30's to mid 40's) and only spent two of them in my field of work (financial media). My First World education and work experience (at some big names in my field) were of no interest to Toronto employers. Sadly, I'm looking at the propect of packing it in here in Toronto as minimum wage shit jobs is all that I can expect going forward.
Nov 12th 2019 | 6:38 am
#108
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Re: Second Class Citizen
Yes, this happened to me. Wasted 11 years here (my supposed peak earning years from my mid-30's to mid 40's) and only spent two of them in my field of work (financial media). My First World education and work experience (at some big names in my field) were of no interest to Toronto employers. Sadly, I'm looking at the propect of packing it in here in Toronto as minimum wage shit jobs is all that I can expect going forward.
Why would a Canadian company be interested in the work you have done in another Country - they won't, unless you have been headhunted. It'sa tough thing to deal with, I know. There's plenty of jobs out there though
https://ca.indeed.com/Financial-Media-Marketing-jobshttps://britishexpats.com/wiki/Categ...ada_Challenges
https://britishexpats.com/wiki/Poten...llenges-Canada
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Nov 12th 2019 | 7:01 am
#109
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Re: Second Class Citizen
Have you looked outside the Toronto area?
Employers in Vancouver seem to have trouble finding qualified workers these days for higher level jobs, although chances are wages are lower as Vancouver suffers from lower wages vs other city's in Canada, but you might be able to get your foot into something more suited to your field.
Biggest expense in Vancouver is housing, everything else tends to be relatively affordable.
But yeah it's common to take steps backwards job wise when coming to Canada, that isn't unusual. I have worked over the years with very well educated individuals who were working low skill and low pay jobs as their experience and education was either not recognized or not considered on par with Canadian experience.
Employers in Vancouver seem to have trouble finding qualified workers these days for higher level jobs, although chances are wages are lower as Vancouver suffers from lower wages vs other city's in Canada, but you might be able to get your foot into something more suited to your field.
Biggest expense in Vancouver is housing, everything else tends to be relatively affordable.
But yeah it's common to take steps backwards job wise when coming to Canada, that isn't unusual. I have worked over the years with very well educated individuals who were working low skill and low pay jobs as their experience and education was either not recognized or not considered on par with Canadian experience.
Yes, this happened to me. Wasted 11 years here (my supposed peak earning years from my mid-30's to mid 40's) and only spent two of them in my field of work (financial media). My First World education and work experience (at some big names in my field) were of no interest to Toronto employers. Sadly, I'm looking at the propect of packing it in here in Toronto as minimum wage shit jobs is all that I can expect going forward.
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Nov 12th 2019 | 7:03 am
#110
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Re: Second Class Citizen
Yes, this happened to me. Wasted 11 years here (my supposed peak earning years from my mid-30's to mid 40's) and only spent two of them in my field of work (financial media). My First World education and work experience (at some big names in my field) were of no interest to Toronto employers. Sadly, I'm looking at the propect of packing it in here in Toronto as minimum wage shit jobs is all that I can expect going forward.
You are not alone- many of us on here have had to take a BIG step backwards.
Nov 13th 2019 | 2:19 am
#111
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Re: Second Class Citizen
Hopefully you were aware before deciding to come to Canada that unless you have a niche profession (or in a trade) most professionals take a few steps backwards career wise, sometimes having to change career completely. It's very common.
Why would a Canadian company be interested in the work you have done in another Country - they won't, unless you have been headhunted. It'sa tough thing to deal with, I know. There's plenty of jobs out there though https://ca.indeed.com/Financial-Media-Marketing-jobs
https://britishexpats.com/wiki/Categ...ada_Challenges
https://britishexpats.com/wiki/Poten...llenges-Canada
Why would a Canadian company be interested in the work you have done in another Country - they won't, unless you have been headhunted. It'sa tough thing to deal with, I know. There's plenty of jobs out there though
https://ca.indeed.com/Financial-Media-Marketing-jobshttps://britishexpats.com/wiki/Categ...ada_Challenges
https://britishexpats.com/wiki/Poten...llenges-Canada
Nov 13th 2019 | 4:16 am
#112
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Re: Second Class Citizen
Yes, I am aware of that thank you; however, he appeared shocked that was what happened... I was curious as to whether he was aware of this possibility before deciding to move to Canada - it's a common theme (having to take jobs at a lower level than you are used to), not surprising in the slightest.
Nov 13th 2019 | 4:44 am
#113
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Re: Second Class Citizen
Feb 27th 2020 | 3:38 am
#114
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Re: Second Class Citizen
Hindsight is 20/20. This was a super-helpful comment.
Feb 28th 2020 | 12:01 am
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Feb 28th 2020 | 5:13 am
#116
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Re: Second Class Citizen
It really does depend,
Although I was born in the UK, I always felt like an immigrant and was discriminated against. So yes 2nd class citizen at times. Moving to Canada, discrimination is still a thing although it's more behind a smile.
Except now I am an immigrant as opposed to feeling like an immigrant.
I have read the ugly side of Canadians on the yahoo groups and it's pretty disgusting.
To my face and in general I don't feel like a 2nd class citizen. Well not when I driving in My BMW with the top down LOL
I think like most countries, if you integrate and are friendly you'll get a fair shake.
Although I was born in the UK, I always felt like an immigrant and was discriminated against. So yes 2nd class citizen at times. Moving to Canada, discrimination is still a thing although it's more behind a smile.
Except now I am an immigrant as opposed to feeling like an immigrant.
I have read the ugly side of Canadians on the yahoo groups and it's pretty disgusting.
To my face and in general I don't feel like a 2nd class citizen. Well not when I driving in My BMW with the top down LOL
I think like most countries, if you integrate and are friendly you'll get a fair shake.
So I’ve been thinking about this for awhile but reluctant to ask but...does anyone else feel like a second class citizen in Canada? I hear all about this famous welcoming, inclusive, meritocratic society here but the longer I stay the more I think that Canada just talks a good game but is just politely dishonest/ full of crap. I see examples all the time at work where if you express an independent opinion or go against the grain in any way then if you are Canadian by birth you’re fine and it won’t negatively impact your opportunities or how you are perceived but if you have an accent then you can expect to be marginalized. It could just be me, it could be my field of work but I would be interested to know if anyone else has had these experiences as well.
Feb 28th 2020 | 5:18 am
#117
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Re: Second Class Citizen
It's got to do with that "Canadian Experience" ppl are not gonna check you out or ring references in the UK.
EVERYONE I know had to go through this, except I was told I wouldnt need to due to my previous job and education and qual's/
BullCrap, day one was working in a factory.
This is fine if you immigrate when your in your 20's, in your late 40's its a pisstake, hindsight I should not have moved, last time I ever listen to a woman !
EVERYONE I know had to go through this, except I was told I wouldnt need to due to my previous job and education and qual's/
BullCrap, day one was working in a factory.
This is fine if you immigrate when your in your 20's, in your late 40's its a pisstake, hindsight I should not have moved, last time I ever listen to a woman !
Perhaps it's not surprising but it seems to me to be a very odd thing to do. If you want to move abroad then surely the sensible thing is to move to somewhere where you're in demand. If you want to go to a specific place then adapt yourself so as to be desirable when you get there. If you're an experienced and knowledgeable deck chair attendant and you move to Canada it's no good complaining that you'd be valuable in the Bahamas.
Feb 29th 2020 | 10:05 am
#118
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Re: Second Class Citizen
I see that done every couple of weeks; interviews by internet, references taken by telephone. In the computer business, at least, physical location is not a big deal.
Of course, if you said you had a BMW that'd be the end of the interview; we have limited parking spaces and need people who can fit their car into just one,
Of course, if you said you had a BMW that'd be the end of the interview; we have limited parking spaces and need people who can fit their car into just one,
Mar 7th 2020 | 1:49 am
#119
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Re: Second Class Citizen
I'm a little surprised at all the push-back. I'm Canadian, love Canada, love Saskatchewan, born here, die here, all that, and I'm probably the first to think in cases like this, "Too bad, don't let it hit you on the way out.", but not when I give it just a little bit of thought. We all acknowledge that Canada isn't for everyone, and some aren't going to like it. We all acknowledge that each individual isn't going to have the same experiences, because each place is a different place, and each person is different, and they're all going to meet different people. In some cases it's going to be the people you meet, in some cases it's just you, but for whatever reason it doesn't always work out. I like to see people come here and like it, and I like the way they add to this country, but I suppose sometimes we have to try to let people go in the same spirit we welcome them with. The national character isn't about being vindictive.
All kidding aside, in my pretty extensive travels I've seen how immigrants (of whatever differing origin, religion, skin colour, etc) are treated in many different countries. And I'm proud how Canada stacks up, measure it however you will...
Not saying perfect, mind you, but the heart's in the right place.
Mar 7th 2020 | 5:44 am
#120
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Re: Second Class Citizen
As a migrant can you expect to be treated like a native-born citizen ? Some people have entitlement issues.
