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Old Mar 3rd 2006 | 6:26 am
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Well then for the most part you are wrong.
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Old Mar 3rd 2006 | 6:27 am
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Originally Posted by iaink
Did anyone say Shania?

How many of these canadians actually live in Canada though?

Gordon does I think?...erm, any more?

Most of them go to the US or switzerland or whereever as soon as practically possible

Do the Wilkinsons count as famous? they are around here, and just moved back to the area from nashville. Probably a sign of terminal career decline
I haven't heard of them but Avril's from down your way.


(Avril Lavigne, global superstar, that is.)
 
Old Mar 3rd 2006 | 6:29 am
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Originally Posted by Atlantic Xpat
The decline of North Atlantic fish stocks is a complex issue. Politics both federally and provincially has had a large part to play, as has bad science, good science ignored, short termism (both by fishermen and politicians), greed, foreign and domestic overfishing, lacklustre international management and environmental changes. An excellent piece of work on the subject is 'Lament for an Ocean' by Michael Harris. Be careful it might challenge some of your preconceptions which is always a bit painful. 'Frinstance you believe that the fact that the DFO scientists/officials are from the Maritimes mean they cant be impartial. In actuality most of the science and policy comes from Ottowa, that well know Maritime City and a common point of view amongst Maritimers is that Ottowa sells them out for larger geopolitical gain. (selling grain to the Russians, buying airbuses for Air Canada etc etc). The truth as ever lies somewhere in between.

One thing that I can say is that the fishing industry, including the seal hunt is a vital part of the economy of a very rural province. Even with its decline since the cod moratorium of 92. Taking part of that away because its not politically correct to kill defenseless and cute animals for their fur/meat/oil just doesnt sit well with me.
I will look at that book. Thanks for the recommendation. But you do acknowledge short term thinking as a problem. Isn't it possible this is happening with the seals? It's not political correctness to oppose animals being clubbed to death. In the conditions on the ice it would seem its difficult to kill humanely.
 
Old Mar 3rd 2006 | 6:31 am
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There are lots for foreign celebrites who have homes in Canada.
 
Old Mar 3rd 2006 | 6:31 am
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There are lots of misguided people in the world.

Having celebrites being photographed with seals that aren't being culled is done as a publicity stunt to raise money and nothing more. Surely you are smart enough to understand this. The McCartney affair lacks sincerity.
Surely these seals will be culled in a few weeks, once they lose the white coat?
 
Old Mar 3rd 2006 | 6:34 am
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I haven't heard of them but Avril's from down your way.


(Avril Lavigne, global superstar, that is.)
How could I have forgot her eh! from napanee no less. I suspect that the Tragically Hip (Kingston) are bigger stars around here, but no one outside canada will have heard of them


Wilkinsons are country, so not high on any expats radar I suppose.
 
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GO CANADA GO!

(oh sorry wrong thread)!
 
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I will look at that book. Thanks for the recommendation. But you do acknowledge short term thinking as a problem. Isn't it possible this is happening with the seals? It's not political correctness to oppose animals being clubbed to death. In the conditions on the ice it would seem its difficult to kill humanely.

In slaughter houses, the cattle/hogs get a pin through the skull, but is that any better than clubbing in your opinion?
 
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There are lots for foreign celebrites who have homes in Canada.
Having a home isnt like living here though is it? If you have ten homes, its probably likely you might have one in Canada.

Just seem interesting that so many "famous canadians" dont call canada home, but I guess that all work in the US, and its not like many UK stars dont bugger off somewhere with better weather and lower taxes too.
 
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GO CANADA GO!

(oh sorry wrong thread)!
Does this mean that you just bought a new club for the seals?
 
Old Mar 3rd 2006 | 6:38 am
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In slaughter houses, the cattle/hogs get a pin through the skull, but is that any better than clubbing in your opinion?
And how often does that go wrong anyway? Cant be 100% effective I'm sure.
 
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One of the few famous Canadians I wouldn't kick out of my bed:

 
Old Mar 3rd 2006 | 6:43 am
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One of the few famous Canadians I wouldn't kick out of my bed:


Does he have to bring that appliance ?
 
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Does he have to bring that appliance ?
Oh c'mon, I've a drawerful already.
 
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Originally Posted by Balzac
I will look at that book. Thanks for the recommendation. But you do acknowledge short term thinking as a problem. Isn't it possible this is happening with the seals? It's not political correctness to oppose animals being clubbed to death. In the conditions on the ice it would seem its difficult to kill humanely.
Short term thinking, particularly for political expediency is absolutely a key contributer to the decline of Atlantic fish stocks. As an aside I heard a scientist interviewed on 'The fisheries broadcast' (http://www.cbc.ca/fisheriesbroadcast/) on CBC radio here last week saying something along the lines of 'for gods sake stop asking for more study, we know what the problem is now just do something about it'. For a politician, union leader, cod baron the easiest thing to do of course is to say 'yes lets get some more science on that' whilst continuing to permit overfishing.

Not sure how short term thinking is a factor in the specific matter of the seal hunt. Seals have been hunted for centuries and populations by all accounts are healthy. Your argument appears to be around the clubbing and that this is inhumane. (incidentally how can something be inhumane if its not being done to humans but I digress......). If clubbing kills as swiftly as say shooting then doesnt that rather defuse your argument?

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