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Old Oct 12th 2007 | 10:33 am
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Originally Posted by coolzak
it was in 2001 code
Odd I can find no reference to GFI's for kitchen outlets in the "Electrical Code Simplified" 2002 Alberta edition.

It refers to "wash basins" but no mention of kitchen sinks.
 
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Sorry in my original post I miss spelt the word electrocution
 
Old Oct 12th 2007 | 10:48 am
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rule 26-700(11) 1.5 m within of sinks(wash basin complete with drainpipe) bathtubs or shower stalls

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Sorry in my original post I miss spelt the word electrocution
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Old Oct 12th 2007 | 10:58 am
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Originally Posted by coolzak
rule 26-700(11)
This rule specifically states bathrooms and washrooms and refers to "wash basins".

There is no mention of kitchens or kitchen sinks.

Although it states that the scope of this subrule is broad it at no time mentions kitchens in any of the examples used.

I would read it to mean that GFI protected outlets are not required if said outlets are within one meter of a kitchen sink.

Rule 26-712(e) says
"Plug receptacles must be located on the wall behind the counter and on either side of the kitchen sink but not behind it. It must not be necessary for appliance supply cords to pass over the sink. Just as important, plug outlets must not be located anywhere directly in front of the sink."
No mention of GFI's though.

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Old Oct 12th 2007 | 11:12 am
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sinks(wash basin complete with drainpipe) is not mentioned bathroom or kitchen only sink and kitchen sink is washing basin with drainpipe only for washing dishes not hands in my understanding
 
Old Oct 12th 2007 | 11:22 am
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appendix b from code rule 26-700(11)
the term "sink" is intended to include kitchen sinks,bar sinks,laundry sinks,utility room sinks,wash basins etc.connected to a plumbing drain pipe.Is not intended to include portable wash basins
 
Old Oct 12th 2007 | 11:28 am
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Originally Posted by coolzak
appendix b from code rule 26-700(11)
the term "sink" is intended to include kitchen sinks,bar sinks,laundry sinks,utility room sinks,wash basins etc.connected to a plumbing drain pipe.Is not intended to include portable wash basins
Interesting, I don't have access to appendix b.

I still find it curious that there is all kinds of reference to GFI for bathroom outlets yet no mention at all when you get to the kitchen.

It does leave one with the impression that GFI's are not required in kitchen outlets. Perhaps this was changed in the editions printed since 2002.
 
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it all from 2006 edition
 
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in 1998 edition it in rule26-700 (13)and it mentioned only bathroom and washrooms and states-all receptacles within 3m from washbasin.tubs and shower must be protected-non about kitchen plugs
 
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ontario prices for electrical jobs

Upgrade electrical service to 100 amps (including new panel) $1000.00-$1300.00
Upgrade electrical service to 100 amps (if new panel not required) $500.00-$800.00
Upgrade electrical service to 200 amps $1800.00-$2200.00
Replace main ground (grounded to conductive water main) $100.00-$150.00
Replace main ground (rural, install ground rods) $250.00-$450.00
Install new circuit breaker panel $500.00-$900.00
Install auxiliary breaker panel $200.00-$400.00
Replace circuit breaker (20 amp or less) $50.00-$100.00
Add 120 volt circuit $150.00-$3000.00
Add 240 volt circuit $250.00-$400.00
Add exterior outlet with waterproof cover $200.00-$300.00
Add conventional receptacle $150.00-$300.00
Add kitchen split receptacle $150.00-$250.00
Provide ground for conventional receptacle $75.00-$100.00
Replace conventional receptacle with ground fault circuit receptacle $60.00-$90.00
Replace conventional receptacle with aluminium compatible type (CO/ALR)(assuming several are required) $10.00-$15.00 ea.
Upgrade entire house with aluminium compatible receptacles, connectors, etc. $500.00-$1000.00
Rewire outlet with reversed polarity (assuming electrician already there) $5.00-$10.00 each

Install switches (assuming electrician already there) $10.00-$20.00 each
Install standard light fixture $100.00-$200.00
Install exterior light fixture $150.00-$250.00
Install fluorescent light fixture $150.00-$250.00
Rewire entire house during gut or renovations $3000.00 and up
 
Old Oct 12th 2007 | 12:19 pm
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Originally Posted by Journeyman Electrician
Sorry in my original post I miss spelt the word electrocution
That's misspelled.

I was going to comment earlier on the self restraint that everyone has shown on the spelling. Getting to post 100 odd without someone like me being snide is a first on this board.

Well done.

By the way, what do you think of bollock heaters?
 
Old Oct 12th 2007 | 12:54 pm
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Originally Posted by Novocastrian
That's misspelled.

I was going to comment earlier on the self restraint that everyone has shown on the spelling. Getting to post 100 odd without someone like me being snide is a first on this board.

Well done.
I only tried that once and got roundly slapped down for it, never again.

Originally Posted by Novocastrian
By the way, what do you think of bollock heaters?
A wonderful invention if used correctly.
 
Old Oct 12th 2007 | 12:57 pm
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Originally Posted by Steve_P

A wonderful invention if used correctly.
But do you need them in Ontario if you have all-seasons and drink 5W-30?

Enquiring minds want to know.
 
Old Oct 12th 2007 | 1:01 pm
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Originally Posted by Novocastrian
But do you need them in Ontario if you have all-seasons and drink 5W-30?

Enquiring minds want to know.
You had better ask iaink or Oceanmdx if you can find him.

When it comes to bollock heaters I apparently don't know my ass from a hole in the ground.
 


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