Crime in Canada?
Sep 13th 2006 | 12:16 pm
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Re: Crime in Canada?
Originally Posted by jonfrank123
Sadly I think Montreal is far worse than London, england for violent crime but much less on petty crime .
It really brought it home today, I walked past Dawson college, as I do every day ,20 minutes before the shooting happened.
There was a drive by a few streets away on Monday night a man opened fire on a women and 2 children from a minivan (gang members?!!!), oh and also a bus driver stabbed in a random attack.
These crimes in the UK would have made it to the front pages of the Daily mail in the UK making people think it's much worse than it really is. In Montreal it doesn't make it too page seven.
The petty Crime here is bad enough, you just have to look at the heavily vandalised state of Montreal buses and bus shelters to see it
I can't speak for Moose Jaw or Red Deer, when I look on the map they seem pretty far away from anywhere with small populations, so naturally they are low on crime.
This place is pretty bad
Jonathan
It really brought it home today, I walked past Dawson college, as I do every day ,20 minutes before the shooting happened.
There was a drive by a few streets away on Monday night a man opened fire on a women and 2 children from a minivan (gang members?!!!), oh and also a bus driver stabbed in a random attack.
These crimes in the UK would have made it to the front pages of the Daily mail in the UK making people think it's much worse than it really is. In Montreal it doesn't make it too page seven.
The petty Crime here is bad enough, you just have to look at the heavily vandalised state of Montreal buses and bus shelters to see it
I can't speak for Moose Jaw or Red Deer, when I look on the map they seem pretty far away from anywhere with small populations, so naturally they are low on crime.
This place is pretty bad
Jonathan
It's a truely tragic thing and I don't wish to belittle it what so ever, but the fact remains that all of the crimes you have listed have taken place in the city/downtown regions. In comparison with London or Manchester, do you truely think that it's less petty crimes and more violent crimes?
I lived in the West Island of Montreal for 18 years and the violence I encountered/read about was usually caused by the likes of gangs like the motorcycle gangs (Rock Machine VS Hells Angels) organised crime or by the odd loopey going off the rails and shooting/stabbing his/her ex or wanting instant fame & recognition by the media because he/she felt neglected in some way... I don't recall many incidents of strangers violently attacking for no significant reason (sorry but, you looked at me funny is NOT a significant reason!) like is reported in my local paper in the UK.
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Sep 13th 2006 | 1:05 pm
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Re: Crime in Canada?
Originally Posted by Daedra
Heard about the Dawson College shootings on here & got more details from a friend of mine who attended the college years back... one of the teacherswho tried to save a student who was shot in the head was one of her proffesors there.
It's a truely tragic thing and I don't wish to belittle it what so ever, but the fact remains that all of the crimes you have listed have taken place in the city/downtown regions. In comparison with London or Manchester, do you truely think that it's less petty crimes and more violent crimes?
I lived in the West Island of Montreal for 18 years and the violence I encountered/read about was usually caused by the likes of gangs like the motorcycle gangs (Rock Machine VS Hells Angels) organised crime or by the odd loopey going off the rails and shooting/stabbing his/her ex or wanting instant fame & recognition by the media because he/she felt neglected in some way... I don't recall many incidents of strangers violently attacking for no significant reason (sorry but, you looked at me funny is NOT a significant reason!) like is reported in my local paper in the UK.
It's a truely tragic thing and I don't wish to belittle it what so ever, but the fact remains that all of the crimes you have listed have taken place in the city/downtown regions. In comparison with London or Manchester, do you truely think that it's less petty crimes and more violent crimes?
I lived in the West Island of Montreal for 18 years and the violence I encountered/read about was usually caused by the likes of gangs like the motorcycle gangs (Rock Machine VS Hells Angels) organised crime or by the odd loopey going off the rails and shooting/stabbing his/her ex or wanting instant fame & recognition by the media because he/she felt neglected in some way... I don't recall many incidents of strangers violently attacking for no significant reason (sorry but, you looked at me funny is NOT a significant reason!) like is reported in my local paper in the UK.
Bringing down Britain is a national pastime, big crimes sell papers, I notice how sensatinalist the British press are everytime I come into Heathrow and buy myself a British paper.
There are definitely more guns in circulation in Canada and I just googled the statistics, there are a lot more murders per 100,000 in Canada than the UK.
Don't get me wrong I don't think either London or Montreal is particularly dangerous or terrifying, it's just relatively worse here. The West Island seems more peaceful, I find it really different to the rest of Montreal.
Jonathan
Sep 13th 2006 | 2:07 pm
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Re: Crime in Canada?
here's my personal experience. I've lived in vancouver for the last eight years. my wife is canadian and her relatives live the lower mainland/greater vancouver area. during the time i have been here my wifes parents have had their house broken into twice, their car stolen once, broken into once and vandalised once. her cousin had his jeep stolen and another ws the victim of credit card fraud. we have also had our car broken into. the family are a decently well-off bunch who, while not wealthy, certainly dont live in the grotty parts of the lower mainland.
(oops..forgot to add..an aunt had her purse stolen at knifepoint by a drug addict...at least thats what she thought he was).
(oops..forgot to add..an aunt had her purse stolen at knifepoint by a drug addict...at least thats what she thought he was).
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Sep 13th 2006 | 9:17 pm
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Re: Crime in Canada?
Originally Posted by jonfrank123
These crimes in the UK would have made it to the front pages of the Daily mail in the UK making people think it's much worse than it really is. In Montreal it doesn't make it too page seven.
Jonathan
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Sep 13th 2006 | 9:56 pm
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Re: Crime in Canada?
Originally Posted by rae
not correct i'm afraid, there is so much to print at the moment that the majority of serious crime, certainly in the greater manchester area, hardly merits a mention on the local radio news. for example in the last week i have experienced 3 youths on mountain bikes shooting at 2 others in a car, who were shooting back, as they all rode/drove along a street. not a mention, anywhere, and a press release was made.
Sep 14th 2006 | 10:51 pm
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Sep 15th 2006 | 9:34 am
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Re: Crime in Canada?
Actually they occured in the sleepy 'burbs, Dorval (shock!) and Pierrefonds (never!) and EVEN Beconsfield! probably why they got more 'sensationalized' than usual.
Well yes common sense, but i don't think many people use or have a chain on their door here.
One thing you DON'T do in the UK is stare at people. People do that here all the time (perhaps it's ME, LOL), it pisses me off, then i remember that 'staring' at other people without having their lights punched out is acceptable in canada.
Well yes common sense, but i don't think many people use or have a chain on their door here.
One thing you DON'T do in the UK is stare at people. People do that here all the time (perhaps it's ME, LOL), it pisses me off, then i remember that 'staring' at other people without having their lights punched out is acceptable in canada.
Originally Posted by Daedra
Neill, did these take place downtown Montreal or out in the "burbs"? I lived in the West Island prior to moving here 2+ years ago, we'd hear about these things in the paper but they were usually confined to "bad" areas like St-Laurent and the East end of Montreal where more of the 'underground' operate (mafia, hells angels, rock machine etc).
Personally though, if anyone showed up at my door asking to be let in and I hadn't been notified by my service provider or municipality of work being done before hand, I would tell them to have their offices contact me first for permission.
Alot of these crimes you listed could be avoided if people practised common sense... but having said that, the difference is that I feel if the same ploy was being used by criminals here in the UK and it failed, instead of moving on to the next house & trying again, they're just as likely to force entry by attacking the home owner.
I may be way off base, but it just seems people are more likely to physically attack a person here then they would be in Canada. *shrug* Just an impression/feeling I get though, may just be because I'm living in a foreign country that I feel different.
Personally though, if anyone showed up at my door asking to be let in and I hadn't been notified by my service provider or municipality of work being done before hand, I would tell them to have their offices contact me first for permission.
Alot of these crimes you listed could be avoided if people practised common sense... but having said that, the difference is that I feel if the same ploy was being used by criminals here in the UK and it failed, instead of moving on to the next house & trying again, they're just as likely to force entry by attacking the home owner.
I may be way off base, but it just seems people are more likely to physically attack a person here then they would be in Canada. *shrug* Just an impression/feeling I get though, may just be because I'm living in a foreign country that I feel different.
Sep 15th 2006 | 1:06 pm
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Re: Crime in Canada?
Originally Posted by neill
Actually they occured in the sleepy 'burbs, Dorval (shock!) and Pierrefonds (never!) and EVEN Beconsfield! probably why they got more 'sensationalized' than usual.
Well yes common sense, but i don't think many people use or have a chain on their door here.
One thing you DON'T do in the UK is stare at people. People do that here all the time (perhaps it's ME, LOL), it pisses me off, then i remember that 'staring' at other people without having their lights punched out is acceptable in canada.
Well yes common sense, but i don't think many people use or have a chain on their door here.
One thing you DON'T do in the UK is stare at people. People do that here all the time (perhaps it's ME, LOL), it pisses me off, then i remember that 'staring' at other people without having their lights punched out is acceptable in canada.
Sep 15th 2006 | 1:07 pm
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Re: Crime in Canada?
And I just want to add a big "WOOHOO" that I've now reached 100 posts and I only signed on a couple of weeks ago (how sad am I?) 
Sep 15th 2006 | 3:01 pm
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Re: Crime in Canada?
Since the atrocity at Dawson College occured, it is normal for many here to be concerned and for the discussion to be focused on Montreal. This crime was carried out by a person who was gun obsessed. He or she can be found in any place, virtually anywhere.
Montreal is stlll a safe city.
I can pretty well walk anywhere, anytime, and have never encountered violence. I do not let such things worry me.
And yes, in response to an earlier post (Liana on another thread), I imagine there are sex shops and strip clubs downtown. And if one doesn't approve of these places well one simply stays away. It's that simple.
Montreal is stlll a safe city.
I can pretty well walk anywhere, anytime, and have never encountered violence. I do not let such things worry me.
And yes, in response to an earlier post (Liana on another thread), I imagine there are sex shops and strip clubs downtown. And if one doesn't approve of these places well one simply stays away. It's that simple.
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Oct 8th 2006 | 4:51 am
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Re: Crime in Canada?
Thought I'd tag this onto the end of this thread rather than start up a whole new one. Recycling see!
The rellies from Canada have been staying with us this weekend. While I was out on Friday night hubby said they were watching some police thingy (Road Wars I think) - the Canadian contingent were apparently gobsmacked by the meagre fines and punishments handed out!
Something like 'now son this is the third time we've caught you driving drunk without a license in a stolen car, you won't do it again will you and have 20 hours community service'.
As I say they were gobsmacked (and rightly so), what does this tell us . Makes me feel happy to be applying 
The rellies from Canada have been staying with us this weekend. While I was out on Friday night hubby said they were watching some police thingy (Road Wars I think) - the Canadian contingent were apparently gobsmacked by the meagre fines and punishments handed out!
Something like 'now son this is the third time we've caught you driving drunk without a license in a stolen car, you won't do it again will you and have 20 hours community service'.
As I say they were gobsmacked (and rightly so), what does this tell us
. Makes me feel happy to be applying
Oct 8th 2006 | 5:14 am
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Re: Crime in Canada?
I agree with the parents.. I was shocked at the light sentances given for what in Canada would be considered a major offense/crime and the "light offense" crimes getting almost as much as a murder would...
Not being able to protect yourself from tresspassers/burgulars in your home by what ever means necessary is also flabbergasting.... how many criminals would feel confident breaking in to homes if they knew someone could be in and have a baseball bat waiting to connect with their heads?!
Not being able to protect yourself from tresspassers/burgulars in your home by what ever means necessary is also flabbergasting.... how many criminals would feel confident breaking in to homes if they knew someone could be in and have a baseball bat waiting to connect with their heads?!
Oct 8th 2006 | 8:16 am
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Re: Crime in Canada?
Originally Posted by Daedra
Not being able to protect yourself from tresspassers/burgulars in your home by what ever means necessary is also flabbergasting....
Oct 8th 2006 | 9:08 am
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Re: Crime in Canada?
Originally Posted by dbd33
Americans say this about Canada.
US vacation time = 100 foot RV + 3 kids + BBQ + tow a small SUV + bikes + bot + carry stash of large automatic weapons for self protection against armies of snowmobiling communist hippies in plaid.
Rich.
Oct 8th 2006 | 11:20 pm
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Re: Crime in Canada?
Originally Posted by Daedra
Not being able to protect yourself from tresspassers/burgulars in your home by what ever means necessary is also flabbergasting....
