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Old Apr 29th 2013, 10:12 pm
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Originally Posted by ExKiwilass View Post
I am against because:

1. abuse of TFW (substandard housing, etc)
2. drives down wages/working conditions at the bottom
3. TFWs have very few rights working here.
When the Harperists introduced TFW that's exactly what they wanted.

The RBC case and other similar ones have exposed their perfidy and now they have to back down.

Incompetent a-holes.
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Old Apr 29th 2013, 10:33 pm
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Watch the Immigration forum now implode.
So Accelerated LMOs now suspended.
A potential fee for applying for an LMO.
Increase to the work permit fee which has been stuck at $150 for years.
"What we're trying to do is put more financial pressure on employers to look to and hire Canadians first," Kenney said at a news conference.

The total number of temporary foreign workers has doubled in the last decade, to 338,189 workers.

So it looks like Canadians 1st where applicable then foreign workers.
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Old Apr 29th 2013, 10:42 pm
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Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian View Post
So it looks like Canadians 1st where applicable then foreign workers.
Hadn't that always been the case until Harper & Kenny redefined TFW?

Previously the program was designed to accommodate seasonal migrant farm workers and the like. But they changed it to allow companies to lay off Canadians and outsource their jobs to TFW's employed by subcontractors at depressed wages.

They've been caught.

Remember the F-35 at all?
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Old Apr 29th 2013, 11:35 pm
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Originally Posted by Novocastrian View Post
Hadn't that always been the case until Harper & Kenny redefined TFW?

Previously the program was designed to accommodate seasonal migrant farm workers and the like. But they changed it to allow companies to lay off Canadians and outsource their jobs to TFW's employed by subcontractors at depressed wages.

They've been caught.

Remember the F-35 at all?
It's been fantastic for business but shitastic for the workers

Been following it on CBC. In talkback construction workers have been calling saying how unethical companies are using TFWs to undercut wages and safety on building sites, forcing ethical companies out of business. I don't doubt it.
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Originally Posted by Novocastrian View Post
I think you're confusing TWP with TFW. That's what they're changing.
Pardon my ignorance but whats the difference?

They both sound remarkably similar
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Pardon my ignorance but whats the difference?

They both sound remarkably similar
I agree, except one goes "T W P" and the other has an "F" in the middle.

Buggered if I know.
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TWP: Temporary Work Permit
TFW: Temporary Foreign Worker (Someone with an active Temporary Work Permit in Canada)
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TWP: Temporary Work Permit
TFW: Temporary Foreign Worker (Someone with an active Temporary Work Permit in Canada)
So theyre essentially the same thing.......?
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So theyre essentially the same thing.......?
One is the document, the other is the person effected.
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Oh, so I was right then.

And so was Novo.

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Originally Posted by ExKiwilass View Post
Oh, so I was right then.

And so was Novo.

So, how are you going to get Canadians to fill the positions if they are none about to fill them? Are you advocating for unemployed in, say, New Brunswick to have to relocate to where the work and the employer is in, say, Calgary?

Would you rather wait to see a doctor or be seen by one on a TWP?
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When does this come into effect or has it already?
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Old Apr 30th 2013, 2:58 am
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TWP: Temporary Work Permit
TFW: Temporary Foreign Worker (Someone with an active Temporary Work Permit in Canada)
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So theyre essentially the same thing.......?
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One is the document, the other is the person effected.
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Oh, so I was right then.

And so was Novo.

No, no, no and no.

A TWP is what you get if an employer wants to hire you and can't find a Canadian to do the job. If that is correctly documented (by the employer) they are issued a quaintly named document called a Labour Market Opinion (LMO). With the LMO in place the employee gets a TWP and gets on with it.

A TFW (Temporary Foreign Worker) used to be a seasonal farm worker from e.g. Mexico or Colombia or Peru who could be hired by farmers as casual help at harvest time or whatever.

Harper & Kenny changed the definition of TFW to include anything where there was a labour shortage and allows companies to pay these poor saps 15% less than a Canadian.

As you might expect this resulted in Canadians not being able to get unskilled jobs because they would cost 15% more than a furriner who has no rights.

What has happened is that the nutjob Conservatives have been caught out ****ing over Canadians and they've had to back down.

Last edited by Novocastrian; Apr 30th 2013 at 3:46 am. Reason: typo corrected
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Wow, I had no idea about that. Thanks for the clarification!
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Default Re: Changes to TWP programme

Originally Posted by Novocastrian View Post
No, no, no and no.

A TWP is what you get if an employer wants to hire you and can't find a Canadian to do the job. If that is correctly documented (by the employer) they are issued a quaintly named document called a Labour Market Opinion (LMO). With the LMO in place the employee gets a TWP and gets on with it.

A TFW (Temporary Foreign Worker) used to be a seasonal farm worker from e.g. Mexico or Colombia or Peru who could be hired by farmers as casual help at harvest time or whatever.

Harper & Kenny changed the definition of TFW to include anything where there was a labour shortage and allows companies to pay these poor saps 15% less than a Canadian.

As you might expect this resulted in Canadians not being able to get unskilled jobs because they would cost 15% more than a furriner who has no rights.

What has happened is that the nutjob Conservatives have been caught out ****ing over Canadians and they've had to back down.
Ahhh finally made sense of this thread (and the whinging which sounds odd for an outside). Thankyou NOVOCASTRIAN!
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