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iaink Aug 13th 2008 5:56 am

Re: Another E-petition gets almost the same negative response
 

Originally Posted by BWelford (Post 6676568)
Today 10 Downing Street responded to a petition that closed on 11 June 2008 from Roy and Joan Brentnall of Canada. It asked the Prime Minister to remove the discrimination against British State pensioners who retire to the Commonwealth countries rather than Europe or the USA. It has taken over 60 days to produce a response.

It is largely a copy and paste version of what was given to a petition on January third of this year.

I hate to say it, but I told you so

Steve_P Aug 13th 2008 5:58 am

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Originally Posted by iaink (Post 6676878)
I hate to say it, but I told you so

You don't hate say it at all.

Come on admit it you're enjoying it. ;):p:rofl::rofl:

iaink Aug 13th 2008 6:03 am

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Originally Posted by Steve_P (Post 6676891)
You don't hate say it at all.

Come on admit it you're enjoying it. ;):p:rofl::rofl:

Frankly I wish they would pay the index linking in the name of equality, but I know its not worth having a stroke over.

Anyway, Ive been waiting in the wings of the forum for something new and or interesting to come up, and it hasnt, so I guess this could well be my "YAGE" post. But who knows, I might pop back in from time to time, but nothing like in the past. Good luck!

Steve_P Aug 13th 2008 6:07 am

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Originally Posted by iaink (Post 6676910)
Anyway, Ive been waiting in the wings of the forum for something new and or interesting to come up, and it hasnt, so I guess this could well be my "YAGE" post. But who knows, I might pop back in from time to time, but nothing like in the past. Good luck!

I hope this is not the case, but if it is all the very best and I'll look forward to your occasional posts.

You will be missed. :(

flashman Aug 13th 2008 7:51 am

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Originally Posted by johnh009 (Post 6676676)
With all of the boomers retiring and, given the sad state of pension funds and savings in general, they are more likely to stop indexing-linking the countries that are, rather than index link those that are not.

Does that prove the mismanagement of the pension funds?

Pensions should not be funded by current and future taxpayers but from the returns on the money invested by those who contributed.

bazzz Aug 13th 2008 8:08 am

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Originally Posted by flashman (Post 6677309)
Does that prove the mismanagement of the pension funds?

Pensions should not be funded by current and future taxpayers but from the returns on the money invested by those who contributed.

That's not how state pensions work, is it? It's not invested money as such, it's just paid out of general taxation.

BWelford Aug 13th 2008 8:10 am

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Pensions are paid out of the National Insurance Fund, which has a huge surplus, which is used for other purposes than pensions although it was funded by all those pensioners contributions. You can find more information at the Pension Parity UK website at http://www.pension-parity-uk.com/home. If you go to the relevant page on the National Insurance Fund, you will be outraged at what you see there.

Butch Cassidy Aug 13th 2008 8:20 am

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<BC is indeed outrageous>

bazzz Aug 13th 2008 8:26 am

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I'm outraged by the shoddy quality of that site. It's all CAPITAL LETTERS and tabloidesque phraseology. You might get a better response if you could come up with something less OTT.

BWelford Aug 13th 2008 8:33 am

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Sorry, bazzz. I agree with you on presentation. I was in no way involved with that website. However I believe the facts it presents are true.

Simon Legree Aug 13th 2008 8:45 am

Re: Another E-petition gets almost the same negative response
 

Originally Posted by Steve_P (Post 6676806)
It was a joke for goodness sake.

I have no intention of claiming something I left 45 years ago.

I have no wish to sponge off the UK.

You wouldn't be sponging. You already paid for it and are entitled to it. As a matter of interest I just helped a previous doubter who thought it wasn't worth his while to see what he will be entitled to at retirement. He had written his UK pension off and forgotten about when he came here many years ago. Just like some of you seem to be doing. He is smiling now because between him and his Canadian born wife, who never worked in the UK but will still get 60% of wheat he gets, will get a pension of 51 pounds 92p a week ! Over 200 quid a month for life. He thinks he's won the lottery. All found money. So don't dismiss it out of hand. You may be very surprised.

Steve_P Aug 13th 2008 8:48 am

Re: Another E-petition gets almost the same negative response
 

Originally Posted by Simon Legree (Post 6677494)
You wouldn't be sponging. You already paid for it and are entitled to it.

For Christ sake I paid in for a year in 1962/63 when I was earning £3 per week.

I would be sponging if I were to attempt to collect on that. :curse::curse:

Simon Legree Aug 13th 2008 8:52 am

Re: Another E-petition gets almost the same negative response
 

Originally Posted by bazzz (Post 6677445)
I'm outraged by the shoddy quality of that site. It's all CAPITAL LETTERS and tabloidesque phraseology. You might get a better response if you could come up with something less OTT.

Even as a CABP volunteer I couldn't agree more. I have tried to get it changed but I'm fighting some tough old geezers. However folks, if you can just get by that and see what is being done on behalf of all of us. Believe me the organization is a good one so don't be turned off by the site. The quarterly publication is much better

Oakvillian Aug 13th 2008 8:53 am

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Originally Posted by Simon Legree (Post 6676783)
This petition, complete with the glaring spelling mistake, was a private initiative but at least someone tried to do something on your behalf.

<rant continues for one single very long paragraph>

Since this was a reply to my post, I'll bite. This fruitless and pointless petition did nothing on my behalf. I certainly didn't sign anybody's silly petition.

I moved to Canada in the full knowledge that my state pension wouldn't be index linked. I have taken account of that fact and made other arrangements. Nothing is going to change as a result of stupid on-line petitions. Nobody with anything more productive to do pays any attention to them anyway.

Jingsamichty Aug 13th 2008 8:55 am

Re: Another E-petition gets almost the same negative response
 

Originally Posted by Simon Legree (Post 6677494)
You wouldn't be sponging. You already paid for it and are entitled to it.

Bullshit. It IS sponging. If people don't live in a country and don't pay taxes there, or spend the money in the local economy and pay local VAT etc, then petitioning to take even more money out of that country IS sponging.
In fact, it is absolutely shameless.

Have a bit of dignity and self-respect. Stop trying to squeeze British taxpayers for more cash for yourself.


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