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Old Jun 13th 2017 | 8:50 pm
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Originally Posted by Beoz
How resentful. True colours are coming out again.

Get another job if it doesn't suit you rather than resenting the others. That's the free market my friend. The ball is in your court. Stop blaming and resenting others.

Here's an idea, If enough of you walk, the free market will have to cough up. That's how it works.
I am speaking up for all public sector workers not just me, me, me.

Your majesty, the people are starving, they have no bread. Let them eat cake then.

A new definition of fairness - those who speak up for and consider the not so well off are resentful.

If the Tories were really for all they wouldn't say stop blaming and resenting - that's an excuse for doing nothing and entrenching a well off position. May got the message on this.

End of, I know your outlook on life.
 
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I am speaking up for all public sector workers not just me, me, me.

Your majesty, the people are starving, they have no bread. Let them eat cake then.

A new definition of fairness - those who speak up for and consider the not so well off are resentful.

If the Tories were really for all they wouldn't say stop blaming and resenting - that's an excuse for doing nothing and entrenching a well off position. May got the message on this.

End of, I know your outlook on life.
Wow. You really have been swallowing up the propaganda. Let me guess. Medicare is going too.

Lets just track back a little shall we.

Margaret Thatcher started the reduction of income tax. RIGHT ACROSS the BOARD. For both the highest tax payers, and the lowest. Same with corporate tax. And there's no denying Thatcher pulled Britain out of the doldrums. 'Nuff said really on that one.

John Major had the pleasure of reducing the basic rate of tax to 23%. On ya John

Lets look at Blair. Whilst reducing income tax for the basic rate again, he had the pleasure of increasing those regressive taxes - the ones you are so against because they hurt the poor.

Memory is short lived for many resentful lefties but in April this year, the Tories put up the personal allowance for the average man, killed off the personal allowance for those earning over 123,000, increased NI contributions for all earners but especially for the higher earners, they strangled tax deductions for investment properties, and most importantly, battler families passing on inheritance to battler families will receive a break, whilst the wealthier families will get a sting.

You really should read up on this before you automatically default to Labour being the savior of the me me me. Your propaganda is delusional.
 
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Margaret Thatcher started the reduction of income tax. RIGHT ACROSS the BOARD. For both the highest tax payers, and the lowest. Same with corporate tax. And there's no denying Thatcher pulled Britain out of the doldrums. 'Nuff said really on that one.

John Major had the pleasure of reducing the basic rate of tax to 23%. On ya John

Lets look at Blair. Whilst reducing income tax for the basic rate again, he had the pleasure of increasing those regressive taxes - the ones you are so against because they hurt the poor.
Picture paints a thousand words, and highlights a few lies ...
 
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Picture paints a thousand words, and highlights a few lies ...
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Correction - Brown not Blair. I should not taint the best Labour PM with the poo Brown brush.

The point is, your Labour team aint so rosey are they, though they will spin you enough garbage to make you believe they are.
 
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Wow. You really have been swallowing up the propaganda. Let me guess. Medicare is going too.

Lets just track back a little shall we.

Margaret Thatcher started the reduction of income tax. RIGHT ACROSS the BOARD. For both the highest tax payers, and the lowest. Same with corporate tax. And there's no denying Thatcher pulled Britain out of the doldrums. 'Nuff said really on that one.

John Major had the pleasure of reducing the basic rate of tax to 23%. On ya John

Lets look at Blair. Whilst reducing income tax for the basic rate again, he had the pleasure of increasing those regressive taxes - the ones you are so against because they hurt the poor.

Memory is short lived for many resentful lefties but in April this year, the Tories put up the personal allowance for the average man, killed off the personal allowance for those earning over 123,000, increased NI contributions for all earners but especially for the higher earners, they strangled tax deductions for investment properties, and most importantly, battler families passing on inheritance to battler families will receive a break, whilst the wealthier families will get a sting.

You really should read up on this before you automatically default to Labour being the savior of the me me me. Your propaganda is delusional.
You really should read up before you shoot your mouth off. The reality about the current government:
Tax burden rising

The tax burden on British households and businesses is already rising, and is on course to climb to a 40 year high by 2025, official analysis shows.

The Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR), the Government’s fiscal watchdog, expects the total burden to keep rising as a share of GDP over the next decade, climbing to 37.5pc of GDP by 2025-26, which would represent its highest share since 1986.

How Britain's tax burden has climbed near its highest level in four decades

It's mainly because of the shift of emphasis from direct to indirect taxation.

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Correction - Brown not Blair. I should not taint the best Labour PM with the poo Brown brush.

The point is, your Labour team aint so rosey are they, though they will spin you enough garbage to make you believe they are.
Think you probably need to look at the graph and the dates more closely. Thatch smashed VAT (a regressive tax) upwards to pay for a relatively small decrease in the basic rate. Major didn't even give a basic rate tax cut when he put it up.

Blair didn't raise the VAT rate at all and Brown cut it, before the tories got in and smashed it up to 20%.

The picture you paint is one of pure imagination. The reality is the tories have and continue to raise the regressive VAT rate, in the main to fund money to their mates.
 
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Think you probably need to look at the graph and the dates more closely. Thatch smashed VAT (a regressive tax) upwards to pay for a relatively small decrease in the basic rate. Major didn't even give a basic rate tax cut when he put it up.

Blair didn't raise the VAT rate at all and Brown cut it, before the tories got in and smashed it up to 20%.

The picture you paint is one of pure imagination. The reality is the tories have and continue to raise the regressive VAT rate, in the main to fund money to their mates.
An aside but VAT replaced Purchase Tax in the UK in 1973 as a requirement of EEC (now EU) membership as every member was required by EEC/EU law to levy it to help towards each members contributions to the budget. Whither VAT post Brexit? It's gone from 8% to 20% over that time, the Tories increasing it from 17.5% to 20% in Cameron's time. Another detail to be worked out - will VAT be abolished and replaced by another tax, at another level or will it continue as an EU tax at the current level? Maybe we need to ask Arlene Foster what she wants on this?
 
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Originally Posted by GarryP
Think you probably need to look at the graph and the dates more closely. Thatch smashed VAT (a regressive tax) upwards to pay for a relatively small decrease in the basic rate. Major didn't even give a basic rate tax cut when he put it up.

Blair didn't raise the VAT rate at all and Brown cut it, before the tories got in and smashed it up to 20%.

The picture you paint is one of pure imagination. The reality is the tories have and continue to raise the regressive VAT rate, in the main to fund money to their mates.
Brown rose VAT 2.5 % in January 2010. Maybe you need to find a better info graphic.

As for Thatcher, so what. Look where the UK was and where it went to with Thatcher.

It benefited all. Not a select few.
 
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Originally Posted by OzTennis
You really should read up before you shoot your mouth off. The reality about the current government:
Tax burden rising

The tax burden on British households and businesses is already rising, and is on course to climb to a 40 year high by 2025, official analysis shows.

The Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR), the Government’s fiscal watchdog, expects the total burden to keep rising as a share of GDP over the next decade, climbing to 37.5pc of GDP by 2025-26, which would represent its highest share since 1986.

How Britain's tax burden has climbed near its highest level in four decades

It's mainly because of the shift of emphasis from direct to indirect taxation.
And who would have guessed after Brown and Blair left the UK in such a state.

Economists said the country faced a tough choice of curbing benefits such as pensions, even more austerity, or accepting a "permanently higher tax burden".

Someone needs to pay for your pending old age and its far fairer to share the burden equally. If you don't the gravy train 2 percenters, you know, the guys paying for your generous government pension, will just piss off elsewhere.
 
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Brown rose VAT 2.5 % in January 2010. Maybe you need to find a better info graphic.
Brown cut VAT from 17.5% to 15% in Nov 2008 for a temp period over the GFC. It went back up to 17.5% in Jan 2010, as was planned.

In the run up to the election, the Tories denied that they would increase VAT if they got into power - but following the election in May 2010 they announced they had lied, and that VAT would increase to 20% in Jan 2011.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value-...dom%29#History

Maybe next time you could actually report what happened accurately and not attempt to distort things ?
 
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Brown cut VAT from 17.5% to 15% in Nov 2008 for a temp period over the GFC. It went back up to 17.5% in Jan 2010, as was planned.
Brown put up VAT - massage it all you want but they hurt their own.

Originally Posted by GarryP
In the run up to the election, the Tories denied that they would increase VAT if they got into power - but following the election in May 2010 they announced they had lied, and that VAT would increase to 20% in Jan 2011.
Like when Blair and Brown lied when they said they wouldn't increase National Insurance contributions, but did it anyway. Wow, how can a socialist government get away with such crimes against its people?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value-...dom%29#History

Originally Posted by GarryP
Maybe next time you could actually report what happened accurately and not attempt to distort things ?
My reporting are just fine and dandy - your problem if you can't handle fact.
 
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And who would have guessed after Brown and Blair left the UK in such a state.

Economists said the country faced a tough choice of curbing benefits such as pensions, even more austerity, or accepting a "permanently higher tax burden".

Someone needs to pay for your pending old age and its far fairer to share the burden equally. If you don't the gravy train 2 percenters, you know, the guys paying for your generous government pension, will just piss off elsewhere.
Hmm - You try to give the impression that the Tories are cutting taxes; evidence given they are increasing the tax burden, deflect to Brown and Blair and my pension and ideological babble. You aren't worth debating things with. 'Brown rose'!

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Hmm - You try to give the impression that the Tories are cutting taxes; evidence given they are increasing the tax burden, deflect to Brown and Blair and my pension and ideological babble. You aren't worth debating things with. 'Brown rose'!
Post 107 my friend.

You won't find that info in the Guardian.

Or you chose to ignore it because it didn't suit your agenda.

Memory is short lived for many resentful lefties but in April this year, the Tories put up the personal allowance for the average man, killed off the personal allowance for those earning over 123,000, increased NI contributions for all earners but especially for the higher earners, they strangled tax deductions for investment properties, and most importantly, battler families passing on inheritance to battler families will receive a break, whilst the wealthier families will get a sting.
 
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Post 107 my friend.

You won't find that info in the Guardian.

Or you chose to ignore it because it didn't suit your agenda.

Memory is short lived for many resentful lefties but in April this year, the Tories put up the personal allowance for the average man, killed off the personal allowance for those earning over 123,000, increased NI contributions for all earners but especially for the higher earners, they strangled tax deductions for investment properties, and most importantly, battler families passing on inheritance to battler families will receive a break, whilst the wealthier families will get a sting.
The information on the highest tax burden in 40 years comes from the Telegraph and the Office for Budget Responsibility official papers - why are you rabbiting on about the Guardian and picking out one policy - it's the final effect which is relevant. Tax take as % of GDP higher than Thatcher, Major, Blair, Brown.
 
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The information on the highest tax burden in 40 years comes from the Telegraph and the Office for Budget Responsibility official papers - why are you rabbiting on about the Guardian and picking out one policy - it's the final effect which is relevant. Tax take as % of GDP higher than Thatcher, Major, Blair, Brown.
Yep. That's right. Your Brown Blair mates left the country in such a mess, someone one day will have to clean it up.
 


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