Thyroid Thread - Part Deux
#151
My tests for coeliac came back negative - but then I found that can happen and that you need a biopsy of the intestine wall to definitively tell. My symptoms when I eat wheat are just vile... so trying completely gluten free to see how I improve. Normally I just stay off the wheat. I can't say I find gluten free a pain at all. I just stay off things which are in any way processed. It seems to work so far.
Hope your friend joins in....
I don't really like cereal for breakfast. I find it too carby so usually I eat my breakfast around 10am and usually have a high protein meal, with animal fats. Eggs...and butter... yum ... and yes, my cholesterol is fine...
Could well be. But you do need some good carbs so you have enough to convert your T4 to T3, so eating is important. Last night, I so did not want to eat dinner. Then when I started eating, I was hungry. Sometimes I have to make myself do it.
I am sure you will be delighted to know that bananas are 'bad' for your thyroid. Foods high in potassium may cause lethargy in people with dodgy thyroids. I can't find the link where I read it now but FFS! Bananas are bad for you?
Yesterday, I ate a banana. It was Gluten Free. I liked it. Today I am feeling fine.

Whilst I was cruising for the little link I came across this little mine of misinformation. Much of this is incorrect, wrong and just plain nuts.
Apparently god will heal all your ills and the natural healer in the US swears you can come off thyroid meds by cleansing your body.
Who knew it could be that simple? Damn, why haven't I thought of that?!

http://www.pathlights.com/nr_encyclopedia/11endo03.htm
Hope your friend joins in....
I don't really like cereal for breakfast. I find it too carby so usually I eat my breakfast around 10am and usually have a high protein meal, with animal fats. Eggs...and butter... yum ... and yes, my cholesterol is fine...

Could well be. But you do need some good carbs so you have enough to convert your T4 to T3, so eating is important. Last night, I so did not want to eat dinner. Then when I started eating, I was hungry. Sometimes I have to make myself do it.
I am sure you will be delighted to know that bananas are 'bad' for your thyroid. Foods high in potassium may cause lethargy in people with dodgy thyroids. I can't find the link where I read it now but FFS! Bananas are bad for you?

Yesterday, I ate a banana. It was Gluten Free. I liked it. Today I am feeling fine.

Whilst I was cruising for the little link I came across this little mine of misinformation. Much of this is incorrect, wrong and just plain nuts.
Apparently god will heal all your ills and the natural healer in the US swears you can come off thyroid meds by cleansing your body.
Who knew it could be that simple? Damn, why haven't I thought of that?!

http://www.pathlights.com/nr_encyclopedia/11endo03.htm
I got all my results back from the hospital today and my cholesterol read 5.4, so im not sure if that is ok.
Saw the dieatition yesturday and went thrugh with me what i could and couldnt eat.
At least i can still have the wine and tomatoe sauce, but got to have bran for breakfast.
NO CHIPS

I saw that on tele about cleansing your body and i dont think i will be doing it.
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Oh i love bananas, had one today. But i wont so much now i know they dont go with the thyroid condition.
I got all my results back from the hospital today and my cholesterol read 5.4, so im not sure if that is ok.
Saw the dieatition yesturday and went thrugh with me what i could and couldnt eat.
At least i can still have the wine and tomatoe sauce, but got to have bran for breakfast.
NO CHIPS
I saw that on tele about cleansing your body and i dont think i will be doing it.
I got all my results back from the hospital today and my cholesterol read 5.4, so im not sure if that is ok.
Saw the dieatition yesturday and went thrugh with me what i could and couldnt eat.
At least i can still have the wine and tomatoe sauce, but got to have bran for breakfast.
NO CHIPS

I saw that on tele about cleansing your body and i dont think i will be doing it.
What is the world coming to?
#153










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'In the mid range means' nothing to be honest.... get the figures from the doc. You need the lab range and the result to get an accurate pic.
I'm sure you feel like exercising when you're so tired. Great.
Call them back and get a print out of the tests. They're yours and you should have them for your records.
#154
Had my next lot of blood tests on Friday.
Fasting bloods again.
Blood sample at 9am - nothing from the left arm, so she tries the right one, eventually gets a sample. Gives me a glucose drink, I wait an hour (by now I have a thumping headache). Another blood sample. Wait another hour and another blood sample.
I now look like a junkie with pin holes everywhere and both arms bruised.
Results next Friday. I think this was diabetes check.
Fasting bloods again.
Blood sample at 9am - nothing from the left arm, so she tries the right one, eventually gets a sample. Gives me a glucose drink, I wait an hour (by now I have a thumping headache). Another blood sample. Wait another hour and another blood sample.
I now look like a junkie with pin holes everywhere and both arms bruised.
Results next Friday. I think this was diabetes check.
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Hope you don't mind a brain-fogged ex-Brit Canadian adding to your thread - I found it by accident.
I have spent a couple of hours reading both threads and learnt a lot, thanks everyone.
I was diagnosed hypothyroid about three years ago, TSH was around 9 and an elevated cholestrol which went back to normal as I started taking Synthroid. Started at 0.5, then increased gradually to now, taking 0.1 to 0.125mg. My weight has continued to increase so I am now about 60lbs heavier than I should be, despite having what I would consider being a healthy diet (no red meat, lots of fruit, veg, whole grains, home-cooked meals and fast food about twice a year)- it keeps my husband and 4 kids slim and healthy!
I went for a physical this week as I had been feeling increasingly crappy and despite exercising and really limiting calories, I was exhausted and not losing any weight. The doctor told me my cholesterol was elevated, my fasting glucose slightly outside normal range and I needed to lose weight and improve them.
I asked about natural thyroid, but she said she did not prescribe it. I asked what my most recent TSH was - 4.4. It had been about 1 and I felt better at that level. But she insisted that it was within limits - I think they use 0.35-5 as normal here.
So I asked for a copy of my results which she gave me on the way out - TSH 4.4 (0.35-5)
Triglycerides 3.28 (0.42-1.69)
Fasting Glucose 6.2 (3.6-6.0)
When I got home and studied my results, I got increasingly annoyed! Having been told my cholesterol was high, yes overall it was, but the HDL's and LDL's are within normal range, it is the triglycerides that throws the whole thing out and an internet search told me that a cause of that is hypothyroid!
I don't understand why the doctor wouldn't pick up on that.
So I am hoping that when I see her in 6 weeks that I can persuade her to up my dose to maybe 150 and see if that can get rid of my lethargy, dry hair and skin and general brain fog (I wouldn't say no to losing a few pounds too).
Does anybody know if hypothyroid would be the cause of my high fasting glucose?
I also asked for a thyroid panel, but was refused. I would welcome your knowledgeable comments and recommendations. Thanks!
I have spent a couple of hours reading both threads and learnt a lot, thanks everyone.
I was diagnosed hypothyroid about three years ago, TSH was around 9 and an elevated cholestrol which went back to normal as I started taking Synthroid. Started at 0.5, then increased gradually to now, taking 0.1 to 0.125mg. My weight has continued to increase so I am now about 60lbs heavier than I should be, despite having what I would consider being a healthy diet (no red meat, lots of fruit, veg, whole grains, home-cooked meals and fast food about twice a year)- it keeps my husband and 4 kids slim and healthy!
I went for a physical this week as I had been feeling increasingly crappy and despite exercising and really limiting calories, I was exhausted and not losing any weight. The doctor told me my cholesterol was elevated, my fasting glucose slightly outside normal range and I needed to lose weight and improve them.
I asked about natural thyroid, but she said she did not prescribe it. I asked what my most recent TSH was - 4.4. It had been about 1 and I felt better at that level. But she insisted that it was within limits - I think they use 0.35-5 as normal here.
So I asked for a copy of my results which she gave me on the way out - TSH 4.4 (0.35-5)
Triglycerides 3.28 (0.42-1.69)
Fasting Glucose 6.2 (3.6-6.0)
When I got home and studied my results, I got increasingly annoyed! Having been told my cholesterol was high, yes overall it was, but the HDL's and LDL's are within normal range, it is the triglycerides that throws the whole thing out and an internet search told me that a cause of that is hypothyroid!
I don't understand why the doctor wouldn't pick up on that.
So I am hoping that when I see her in 6 weeks that I can persuade her to up my dose to maybe 150 and see if that can get rid of my lethargy, dry hair and skin and general brain fog (I wouldn't say no to losing a few pounds too).
Does anybody know if hypothyroid would be the cause of my high fasting glucose?
I also asked for a thyroid panel, but was refused. I would welcome your knowledgeable comments and recommendations. Thanks!
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Hope you don't mind a brain-fogged ex-Brit Canadian adding to your thread - I found it by accident.
I have spent a couple of hours reading both threads and learnt a lot, thanks everyone.
I was diagnosed hypothyroid about three years ago, TSH was around 9 and an elevated cholestrol which went back to normal as I started taking Synthroid. Started at 0.5, then increased gradually to now, taking 0.1 to 0.125mg. My weight has continued to increase so I am now about 60lbs heavier than I should be, despite having what I would consider being a healthy diet (no red meat, lots of fruit, veg, whole grains, home-cooked meals and fast food about twice a year)- it keeps my husband and 4 kids slim and healthy!
I went for a physical this week as I had been feeling increasingly crappy and despite exercising and really limiting calories, I was exhausted and not losing any weight. The doctor told me my cholesterol was elevated, my fasting glucose slightly outside normal range and I needed to lose weight and improve them.
I asked about natural thyroid, but she said she did not prescribe it. I asked what my most recent TSH was - 4.4. It had been about 1 and I felt better at that level. But she insisted that it was within limits - I think they use 0.35-5 as normal here.
So I asked for a copy of my results which she gave me on the way out - TSH 4.4 (0.35-5)
Triglycerides 3.28 (0.42-1.69)
Fasting Glucose 6.2 (3.6-6.0)
When I got home and studied my results, I got increasingly annoyed! Having been told my cholesterol was high, yes overall it was, but the HDL's and LDL's are within normal range, it is the triglycerides that throws the whole thing out and an internet search told me that a cause of that is hypothyroid!
I don't understand why the doctor wouldn't pick up on that.
So I am hoping that when I see her in 6 weeks that I can persuade her to up my dose to maybe 150 and see if that can get rid of my lethargy, dry hair and skin and general brain fog (I wouldn't say no to losing a few pounds too).
Does anybody know if hypothyroid would be the cause of my high fasting glucose?
I also asked for a thyroid panel, but was refused. I would welcome your knowledgeable comments and recommendations. Thanks!
I have spent a couple of hours reading both threads and learnt a lot, thanks everyone.
I was diagnosed hypothyroid about three years ago, TSH was around 9 and an elevated cholestrol which went back to normal as I started taking Synthroid. Started at 0.5, then increased gradually to now, taking 0.1 to 0.125mg. My weight has continued to increase so I am now about 60lbs heavier than I should be, despite having what I would consider being a healthy diet (no red meat, lots of fruit, veg, whole grains, home-cooked meals and fast food about twice a year)- it keeps my husband and 4 kids slim and healthy!
I went for a physical this week as I had been feeling increasingly crappy and despite exercising and really limiting calories, I was exhausted and not losing any weight. The doctor told me my cholesterol was elevated, my fasting glucose slightly outside normal range and I needed to lose weight and improve them.
I asked about natural thyroid, but she said she did not prescribe it. I asked what my most recent TSH was - 4.4. It had been about 1 and I felt better at that level. But she insisted that it was within limits - I think they use 0.35-5 as normal here.
So I asked for a copy of my results which she gave me on the way out - TSH 4.4 (0.35-5)
Triglycerides 3.28 (0.42-1.69)
Fasting Glucose 6.2 (3.6-6.0)
When I got home and studied my results, I got increasingly annoyed! Having been told my cholesterol was high, yes overall it was, but the HDL's and LDL's are within normal range, it is the triglycerides that throws the whole thing out and an internet search told me that a cause of that is hypothyroid!
I don't understand why the doctor wouldn't pick up on that.
So I am hoping that when I see her in 6 weeks that I can persuade her to up my dose to maybe 150 and see if that can get rid of my lethargy, dry hair and skin and general brain fog (I wouldn't say no to losing a few pounds too).
Does anybody know if hypothyroid would be the cause of my high fasting glucose?
I also asked for a thyroid panel, but was refused. I would welcome your knowledgeable comments and recommendations. Thanks!
You are having a lousy time aren't you? 
My only recommendation would be to change your doc to be honest. It sounds like you're being severely under dosed on your current levels... And given that the population TSH is around or under 1, then this explains why you feel so good there.
Your doc is a 'levels/numbers' doc and what you need is a 'symptoms' doc. This way, your doc will go on how you feel rather than what your levels are. 4 is way to high, imo. You need to be symptom free and you're obviously not.
Your high fasting glucose needs looking at. People with Hypo can have insulin resistance as part of the package and you'll need dietary advice to sort that out when you find out what's goin on.
Are you in Canada or the UK? Then I'll try to point you in the direction of a good doctor....
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Thanks so much for the quick response - I am in Saskatchewan, Canada.
At the moment I am thinking that I will go to another doctor in the practice this week, take my old and present results and make a straight forward request for an increase in my Synthroid initially. Hopefully that will give me enough energy to sort myself out! One major problem with low thyroid is that we don't have enough energy to fight for what we really need! I guess I need to get my thyroid level correct before I can assess triglycerides and glucose properly.
I am really grateful just to be able to talk about this to people that understand. My family are great but unless you have been in this situation, you can't fully appreciate how low it can make you feel.
At the moment I am thinking that I will go to another doctor in the practice this week, take my old and present results and make a straight forward request for an increase in my Synthroid initially. Hopefully that will give me enough energy to sort myself out! One major problem with low thyroid is that we don't have enough energy to fight for what we really need! I guess I need to get my thyroid level correct before I can assess triglycerides and glucose properly.
I am really grateful just to be able to talk about this to people that understand. My family are great but unless you have been in this situation, you can't fully appreciate how low it can make you feel.
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.... One major problem with low thyroid is that we don't have enough energy to fight for what we really need! ....
....I am really grateful just to be able to talk about this to people that understand. My family are great but unless you have been in this situation, you can't fully appreciate how low it can make you feel.
....I am really grateful just to be able to talk about this to people that understand. My family are great but unless you have been in this situation, you can't fully appreciate how low it can make you feel.
I think also that they think they're a bit immune to anything and everything... After all, we have this condition here and now and we have to manage it for the rest of our lives... They on the other hand don't have anything for now... yet that doesn't mean they won't get anything they'll have to cope with later on down the track... And no doubt they'll expect understanding, tolerance and assistance when they're ill... but they're not too bothered about learning about your illness because it's not cancer or something 'life threatening' (even though untreated, it is!)
My ex husband said something about getting my 'slovenly ass out of bed' the other week, whilst he was being his usual abusive self at my front door.
And I don't even have a donkey.

It's a case of 'there but for the grace of god go I'... families need to get with it a bit, considering how common this is becoming.
I think you're right to go back to your doc. I would ask for a referral to an endo too. I think you're beyond the point where a GP can handle this for you and you need an expert, given your blood sugar result.
Here's a link to top docs for thyroid, plus reviews, in Canada.
http://www.thyroid-info.com/topdrs/canada.htm
Also, if you're not taking vitamins, perhaps I can recommend you start? I've put the thyroid vitamins link up in both threads so you may have seen it.
B vitamins for metabolism, C for immune, selenium for T4 to T3 conversion ... a good mineral and vit supplement would do you the world of good....
Let us know how you get on.
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Thanks for the vitamin and doctor links. I am already taking supplements, but not selenium, so I will start with that one too.
I went back to the male GP that I have seen before and was pleasantly surprised. I was expecting a little empathy from the woman doctor but I actually got much more from the male GP I saw. He was happy to listen to my list of problems and upped my Synthroid which he said could bring down my triglyceride levels. We talked about weight and he asked about the rest of my skinny family and then said, "Life is just not fair, is it?" He accepted that overeating was not the main cause of my problems, but asked if I would like to go to a dietician as she may be able to help with the glucose problem. I was happy to do that, and am going there tomorrow.
He then surprised me when he asked if I had heard of 'Wilson's Syndrome' people with hypothroid symptoms but normal blood/TSH results. He then talked about treating people for symptoms rather than actual results. The treatment involves T3 therapy, I guess many doctors don't even recognise the syndrome. So if the Synthroid doesn't work he wants me back to try a different appproach.
So I am feeling more optomistic - I also got forms to do repeat bloodwork next month to check my new dosage. To say I am surprised is an understatement!
I'll keep you posted on my progress and thanks again TiddlyPom!
I went back to the male GP that I have seen before and was pleasantly surprised. I was expecting a little empathy from the woman doctor but I actually got much more from the male GP I saw. He was happy to listen to my list of problems and upped my Synthroid which he said could bring down my triglyceride levels. We talked about weight and he asked about the rest of my skinny family and then said, "Life is just not fair, is it?" He accepted that overeating was not the main cause of my problems, but asked if I would like to go to a dietician as she may be able to help with the glucose problem. I was happy to do that, and am going there tomorrow.
He then surprised me when he asked if I had heard of 'Wilson's Syndrome' people with hypothroid symptoms but normal blood/TSH results. He then talked about treating people for symptoms rather than actual results. The treatment involves T3 therapy, I guess many doctors don't even recognise the syndrome. So if the Synthroid doesn't work he wants me back to try a different appproach.
So I am feeling more optomistic - I also got forms to do repeat bloodwork next month to check my new dosage. To say I am surprised is an understatement!
I'll keep you posted on my progress and thanks again TiddlyPom!
#160
Thought i would update whilst i had time 
I went from 125 up to 150 then back to 125 now on 150 AGAIN!
Have had a sore throat for over 3 weeks without a cough or cold so went to the doctors this morning.
She felt my throat and had a look down it and then said she is sending me for a scan
I always think of the questions later - but she mentioned goitres or something and have had a quick search on here.
I think they are finally realising after 2 + years of feeling up/down that i might need to see a specialist. HOORAY!!!!
J x
I went from 125 up to 150 then back to 125 now on 150 AGAIN!
Have had a sore throat for over 3 weeks without a cough or cold so went to the doctors this morning.
She felt my throat and had a look down it and then said she is sending me for a scan

I always think of the questions later - but she mentioned goitres or something and have had a quick search on here.
I think they are finally realising after 2 + years of feeling up/down that i might need to see a specialist. HOORAY!!!!
J x
#161
Ok - it would appear that it's all in my mind as my fasting blood sugar test came back normal this time.
All in all - everything has come back normal, which of course is good as I don't want to be ill. I'm forcing myself to exercise to see if it makes any difference.
Have a blood pressure monitor at home at the moment and it says my blood pressure is 95 over 68. Think even my blood is hibernating.....
All in all - everything has come back normal, which of course is good as I don't want to be ill. I'm forcing myself to exercise to see if it makes any difference.
Have a blood pressure monitor at home at the moment and it says my blood pressure is 95 over 68. Think even my blood is hibernating.....
#162
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Stick with it...stick with it

I thought I would peek through this thread to see if every women on the forum was attributing weight gain to a thyroid issue...as part of my 'research' into this current mania and obsession with weight on this forum.......


I thought I would peek through this thread to see if every women on the forum was attributing weight gain to a thyroid issue...as part of my 'research' into this current mania and obsession with weight on this forum.......
#163
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That was so obvious; I saw your name as the last poster on this thread and knew exactly what you were doing here!
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Thanks for the vitamin and doctor links. I am already taking supplements, but not selenium, so I will start with that one too.
I went back to the male GP that I have seen before and was pleasantly surprised. I was expecting a little empathy from the woman doctor but I actually got much more from the male GP I saw. He was happy to listen to my list of problems and upped my Synthroid which he said could bring down my triglyceride levels. We talked about weight and he asked about the rest of my skinny family and then said, "Life is just not fair, is it?" He accepted that overeating was not the main cause of my problems, but asked if I would like to go to a dietician as she may be able to help with the glucose problem. I was happy to do that, and am going there tomorrow.
He then surprised me when he asked if I had heard of 'Wilson's Syndrome' people with hypothroid symptoms but normal blood/TSH results. He then talked about treating people for symptoms rather than actual results. The treatment involves T3 therapy, I guess many doctors don't even recognise the syndrome. So if the Synthroid doesn't work he wants me back to try a different appproach.
So I am feeling more optomistic - I also got forms to do repeat bloodwork next month to check my new dosage. To say I am surprised is an understatement!
I'll keep you posted on my progress and thanks again TiddlyPom!
I went back to the male GP that I have seen before and was pleasantly surprised. I was expecting a little empathy from the woman doctor but I actually got much more from the male GP I saw. He was happy to listen to my list of problems and upped my Synthroid which he said could bring down my triglyceride levels. We talked about weight and he asked about the rest of my skinny family and then said, "Life is just not fair, is it?" He accepted that overeating was not the main cause of my problems, but asked if I would like to go to a dietician as she may be able to help with the glucose problem. I was happy to do that, and am going there tomorrow.
He then surprised me when he asked if I had heard of 'Wilson's Syndrome' people with hypothroid symptoms but normal blood/TSH results. He then talked about treating people for symptoms rather than actual results. The treatment involves T3 therapy, I guess many doctors don't even recognise the syndrome. So if the Synthroid doesn't work he wants me back to try a different appproach.
So I am feeling more optomistic - I also got forms to do repeat bloodwork next month to check my new dosage. To say I am surprised is an understatement!
I'll keep you posted on my progress and thanks again TiddlyPom!

Thought i would update whilst i had time 
I went from 125 up to 150 then back to 125 now on 150 AGAIN!
Have had a sore throat for over 3 weeks without a cough or cold so went to the doctors this morning.
She felt my throat and had a look down it and then said she is sending me for a scan
I always think of the questions later - but she mentioned goitres or something and have had a quick search on here.
I think they are finally realising after 2 + years of feeling up/down that i might need to see a specialist. HOORAY!!!!
J x
I went from 125 up to 150 then back to 125 now on 150 AGAIN!
Have had a sore throat for over 3 weeks without a cough or cold so went to the doctors this morning.
She felt my throat and had a look down it and then said she is sending me for a scan
I always think of the questions later - but she mentioned goitres or something and have had a quick search on here.
I think they are finally realising after 2 + years of feeling up/down that i might need to see a specialist. HOORAY!!!!
J x
Could have nodules or a bit of a goitre... they don't always grow outwards... sometimes down and back too.
Let us know how you get on chick.
x
Ok - it would appear that it's all in my mind as my fasting blood sugar test came back normal this time.
All in all - everything has come back normal, which of course is good as I don't want to be ill. I'm forcing myself to exercise to see if it makes any difference.
Have a blood pressure monitor at home at the moment and it says my blood pressure is 95 over 68. Think even my blood is hibernating.....
All in all - everything has come back normal, which of course is good as I don't want to be ill. I'm forcing myself to exercise to see if it makes any difference.
Have a blood pressure monitor at home at the moment and it says my blood pressure is 95 over 68. Think even my blood is hibernating.....
You said you didn't know your thyroid results, just that they were 'within range' which can mean that you still may have a thyroid issue. Get the results in print before you tell yourself it's all in your head! 


I have lost 100lb since being effectively treated with the proper medication.
I have Hashimoto's Thyroiditis if you want to do a bit of research.
Last edited by TiddlyPom; Apr 13th 2009 at 3:14 pm.
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Will keep you updated
J x



