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moneypenny20 Apr 10th 2014 1:17 pm
Re: Pistorius. Guilty or not?
 
Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack (Post 11213672)
Maybe the Red Cross can parachute in some legs as they did for Douglas Bader.

I feel he has a right to be mobile.....you can't just take a man's legs out from under him.
:D I'm sure he can get around on his stumps can't he? How many dwarfs are there in prisons around the world?

Swerv-o Apr 10th 2014 1:45 pm
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Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 11213971)
:D I'm sure he can get around on his stumps can't he? How many dwarfs are there in prisons around the world?

I guess he won't have to reach so far for the soap...


S

moneypenny20 Apr 10th 2014 1:50 pm
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Originally Posted by Swerv-o (Post 11213987)
I guess he won't have to reach so far for the soap...


S
See, there's always a silver lining.

renth Apr 10th 2014 2:47 pm
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Did anyone see the Ross Kemp docco. where he investigated the South African prison system?

http://watchdocumentary.org/watch/ro...400ef48ab.html

As Amazulu said, that's one place I would make sure I never ended up in.

The "numbers" gangs who run the prison he visited had a graduated scale of punishments with the harshest being raped by someone with HIV, after nicking your ringpiece with a blade to make sure you got infected.

I guess Oscar's crying because he's got all this coming. I'd be crying too.

scottishcelts Apr 10th 2014 2:48 pm
Re: Pistorius. Guilty or not?
 
Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack (Post 11213672)
Maybe the Red Cross can parachute in some legs as they did for Douglas Bader.

I feel he has a right to be mobile.....you can't just take a man's legs out from under him.
Absolutely.

moneypenny20 Apr 10th 2014 2:57 pm
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Originally Posted by renth (Post 11214032)
I guess Oscar's crying because he's got all this coming. I'd be crying too.
I think I might top myself before I got there.

Dorothy Apr 10th 2014 4:55 pm
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Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 11213971)
:D I'm sure he can get around on his stumps can't he? How many dwarfs are there in prisons around the world?
I'm sure it would be a very small number

scottishcelts Apr 10th 2014 5:01 pm
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Originally Posted by Dorothy (Post 11214154)
I'm sure it would be a very small number
Minute (adjective) for sure. :D

BadgeIsBack Apr 10th 2014 7:45 pm
Re: Pistorius. Guilty or not?
 
Originally Posted by renth (Post 11214032)
Did anyone see the Ross Kemp docco. where he investigated the South African prison system?

http://watchdocumentary.org/watch/ro...400ef48ab.html

As Amazulu said, that's one place I would make sure I never ended up in.

The "numbers" gangs who run the prison he visited had a graduated scale of punishments with the harshest being raped by someone with HIV, after nicking your ringpiece with a blade to make sure you got infected.

I guess Oscar's crying because he's got all this coming. I'd be crying too.
Wouldn't they not have nicer prisons for the nice white boys?

DeadVim Apr 10th 2014 7:59 pm
Re: Pistorius. Guilty or not?
 
Guilty.

He doesn't have a leg to stand on.

old.sparkles Apr 10th 2014 8:03 pm
Re: Pistorius. Guilty or not?
 
Originally Posted by DeadVim (Post 11214310)
Guilty.

He doesn't have a leg to stand on.
:rofl: (sorry - does that make me a bad person)

scottishcelts Apr 10th 2014 8:03 pm
Re: Pistorius. Guilty or not?
 
Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack (Post 11214295)
Wouldn't they not have nicer prisons for the nice white boys?
:rofl:

BadgeIsBack Apr 10th 2014 8:03 pm
Re: Pistorius. Guilty or not?
 
Originally Posted by DeadVim (Post 11214310)
Guilty.

He doesn't have a leg to stand on.
Mate we've had all the leg jokes already. They were exhausted back when Pissy was first nicked.

BadgeIsBack Apr 10th 2014 8:05 pm
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Originally Posted by scottishcelts (Post 11214318)
:rofl:
I know it's not apartheid in SA. But a nice white boy with no legs...might get a different place. Even a secure wing. A boy with no leg but his own wing.

old.sparkles Apr 10th 2014 8:06 pm
Re: Pistorius. Guilty or not?
 
Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack (Post 11214321)
I know it's not apartheid in SA. But a nice white boy with no legs...might get a different place. Even a secure wing. A boy with no leg but his own wing.
:rofl:

scottishcelts Apr 10th 2014 8:06 pm
Re: Pistorius. Guilty or not?
 
Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack (Post 11214321)
I know it's not apartheid in SA. But a nice white boy with no legs...might get a different place. Even a secure wing. A boy with no leg but his own wing.
:rofl:

Dorothy Apr 10th 2014 10:52 pm
Re: Pistorius. Guilty or not?
 
Originally Posted by DeadVim (Post 11214310)
Guilty.

He doesn't have a leg to stand on.
Like when Paul McCartney was asked if he'd go down on one knee again and he said he would prefer if they called her Heather.

BadgeIsBack Apr 10th 2014 11:24 pm
Re: Pistorius. Guilty or not?
 
Originally Posted by Dorothy (Post 11214471)
Like when Paul McCartney was asked if he'd go down on one knee again and he said he would prefer if they called her Heather.
What's the difference between Peaches and a moped? A moped will get to 30..

Beoz Apr 11th 2014 12:08 am
Re: Pistorius. Guilty or not?
 
Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack (Post 11214321)
I know it's not apartheid in SA. But a nice white boy with no legs...might get a different place. Even a secure wing. A boy with no leg but his own wing.
Easier to bend over

DeadVim Apr 11th 2014 12:58 am
Re: Pistorius. Guilty or not?
 
Originally Posted by old.sparkles (Post 11214317)
:rofl: (sorry - does that make me a bad person)
'Bad' is subjective ... ;)

Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack (Post 11214319)
Mate we've had all the leg jokes already. They were exhausted back when Pissy was first nicked.
Sorry, I did do a search, I am so out of date. :o

Originally Posted by Dorothy (Post 11214471)
Like when Paul McCartney was asked if he'd go down on one knee again and he said he would prefer if they called her Heather.
Exactly that ... I'll try for a more original angle in the future, sorry. My scriptwriters are on extended leave in Bali off their tiny trees on mescaline.

Beoz Apr 11th 2014 1:06 am
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The point bring, if you ever lose a leg or legs, you can still pull money or a babe.

DeadVim Apr 11th 2014 1:17 am
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Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 11214639)
The point bring, if you ever lose a leg or legs, you can still pull money or a babe.
A life lesson indeed. :D :thumbup:

ededed Apr 11th 2014 1:28 am
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Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 11214639)
The point bring, if you ever lose a leg or legs, you can still pull money or a babe.
The fact he won a bunch of medals and was (through sponsorship) very well of in SA terms helped.

As Mrs Merson said to Debbie McGee - "what do you see in the millionaire Paul Daniels?"

scottishcelts Apr 11th 2014 1:57 am
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Originally Posted by ededed (Post 11214655)
The fact he won a bunch of medals and was (through sponsorship) very well of in SA terms helped.

As Mrs Merson said to Debbie McGee - "what do you see in the millionaire Paul Daniels?"
:thumbsup:

paulry Apr 11th 2014 3:39 pm
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He's a performer. That's what he's good at.

scottishcelts Apr 11th 2014 3:57 pm
Re: Pistorius. Guilty or not?
 
Originally Posted by paulry (Post 11215477)
He's a performer. That's what he's good at.
His name is 'Oscar' after all :D

paulry Apr 11th 2014 5:26 pm
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Originally Posted by scottishcelts (Post 11215487)
His name is 'Oscar' after all :D
:rofl:

scrubbedexpat098 Apr 11th 2014 8:51 pm
Re: Pistorius. Guilty or not?
 
It was all a domestic that got out of hand, he wanted the bathroom door painted, she was dead against it

Molly Coddle Apr 11th 2014 11:52 pm
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There's nothing quite like a drama to bring out the sick jokes! :sneaky:

paulry Apr 12th 2014 12:53 am
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Originally Posted by Molly Coddle (Post 11215791)
There's nothing quite like a drama to bring out the sick jokes! :sneaky:
:unsure: Are the jokes all a bit prosphetic?

BadgeIsBack Apr 13th 2014 11:28 am
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From a legal perspective I always find the way a proscutor can attack a defendant and put words into their mouths an interesting one so I was actually quite impressed with the way P 'waspishly' answered one of the prosecutor's questions, mentioning how his story had stayed the same whilst the state's had changed. My view is that technically a proescutor should only be able to talk about facts and or use these facts to establish perhaps a motive - but no, as we know, a prosecutor can essentially and quite literally fabricate (because noone actually knows) a colourful allegation or scenario to provide a court reaction just to prove a point, relying on emotion rather than facts.

One minor detail interested me today when I finally read a account of the trial : that P was so cavalier with weapons he once actually discharged one in a restaurant. Anyone who has experince with weapons but nonetheless does this is quite capable of doing it again - in fact he even claims to have opened fire when startled...if I was his defence lawyer I would be underlining the fact my client was basically highly incompetent and an absolute nervous wreck with handling weapons...not every person experienced with weapons is a good handler!

Beoz Apr 13th 2014 12:35 pm
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Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack (Post 11217497)
From a legal perspective I always find the way a proscutor can attack a defendant and put words into their mouths an interesting one so I was actually quite impressed with the way P 'waspishly' answered one of the prosecutor's questions, mentioning how his story had stayed the same whilst the state's had changed. My view is that technically a proescutor should only be able to talk about facts and or use these facts to establish perhaps a motive - but no, as we know, a prosecutor can essentially and quite literally fabricate (because noone actually knows) a colourful allegation or scenario to provide a court reaction just to prove a point, relying on emotion rather than facts.

One minor detail interested me today when I finally read a account of the trial : that P was so cavalier with weapons he once actually discharged one in a restaurant. Anyone who has experince with weapons but nonetheless does this is quite capable of doing it again - in fact he even claims to have opened fire when startled...if I was his defence lawyer I would be underlining the fact my client was basically highly incompetent and an absolute nervous wreck with handling weapons...not every person experienced with weapons is a good handler!
This prosecutor has an amazing reputation, but at this point he has been unable to demonstrate 2 things.

1. A motive
2. An admission

Without these 2, all he has is the ability to mentally disintegrate OP and in the process hoping for an extraction of 1 & 2.

cresta57 Apr 13th 2014 1:07 pm
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Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 11212518)
So possessing a firearm and intending on using it as self protection is a perfectly reasonable argument in SA, whilst not so in the UK and Oz?

Remember that farmer that shot that burglar in the UK many years ago? There was uproar if I remember correctly.



Probably best.
The Tony Martin case was different because he'd booby trapped the whole house & sat waiting for them with a loaded gun. i.e it wasn't a spur of the moment decision to shoot the boy. Strange thing was around the same time another bloke shot someone on his allotment. The 82 years old and shot the burglar through the door. He got a 4k pound compensation order against him as the burglar suffered a loss of income. That bit made me laugh, loss of income meant other people got to keep their stuff.
Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 11212877)
Maybe she was taking a dump. Even I shut the ensuite door for that. ...... Sometimes.
I get up & walk to the other end of the house to use the bathroom in the night, the very idea of taking a dump in the same room you sleep in is beyond weird. I've not fathomed the Australian thinking on open plan bedroom/en-suites yet.

Beoz Apr 13th 2014 1:24 pm
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Originally Posted by cresta57 (Post 11217574)
I get up & walk to the other end of the house to use the bathroom in the night, the very idea of taking a dump in the same room you sleep in is beyond weird. I've not fathomed the Australian thinking on open plan bedroom/en-suites yet.
I stayed in a very nice, boutique, 5 star hotel in Jakarta last year. The whole bedroom, office, bathroom, the works was all open plan. There wasn't a single door in the whole place once you passed the front door.

Luckily I was staying there alone.

moneypenny20 Apr 13th 2014 2:13 pm
Re: Pistorius. Guilty or not?
 
Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 11217589)
I stayed in a very nice, boutique, 5 star hotel in Jakarta last year. The whole bedroom, office, bathroom, the works was all open plan. There wasn't a single door in the whole place once you passed the front door.

Luckily I was staying there alone.
That's just wrong. So wrong.

Beoz Apr 13th 2014 2:18 pm
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Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 11217619)
That's just wrong. So wrong.
Kind of reminded me of my time in prison.

Gordon Barlow Apr 13th 2014 2:18 pm
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Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 11217619)
That's just wrong. So wrong.
I know! It's like farting in a lift (elevator) - wrong on so many levels.

Bermudashorts Apr 13th 2014 2:23 pm
Re: Pistorius. Guilty or not?
 
Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 11217553)
This prosecutor has an amazing reputation, but at this point he has been unable to demonstrate 2 things.

1. A motive
2. An admission

Without these 2, all he has is the ability to mentally disintegrate OP and in the process hoping for an extraction of 1 & 2.
Does he really need to prove a motive? If so, does every naturally violent person get away with their acts of violence because there is no specific motive, other than they cannot control their temper.

Dorothy Apr 13th 2014 2:28 pm
Re: Pistorius. Guilty or not?
 
Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 11217553)
This prosecutor has an amazing reputation, but at this point he has been unable to demonstrate 2 things.

1. A motive
2. An admission

Without these 2, all he has is the ability to mentally disintegrate OP and in the process hoping for an extraction of 1 & 2.
As I have said before, the prosecutor does not have to prove motive. He only needs to prove that Oscar Pistorius shot Reeva Steenkamp with the intention to do harm. He also doesn't need an admission of anything. He only has to prove to the judge that OP shot her with the intention of doing serious physical harm to whoever was behind that door.

Beoz Apr 13th 2014 2:42 pm
Re: Pistorius. Guilty or not?
 
Originally Posted by Bermudashorts (Post 11217624)
Does he really need to prove a motive? If so, does every naturally violent person get away with their acts of violence because there is no specific motive, other than they cannot control their temper.
Of course not, but if he could it would be bye bye to OP.

The prosecution at this stage is like a leaky boat. Its all speculation and nothing is concrete.


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