Originally Posted by Jon77 (Post 11210753)

If it was up to the British Expat jury the McCann's would be doing time for killing their own daughter so I have no doubt that the British Expat jury will find Pistorius totally 100% innocent.

Originally Posted by paulry (Post 11212169)

That email exchange (or whatever it was) revealed a lot about the nature of their relationship. Much more will be revealed over the next few days.

Originally Posted by GarryP (Post 11211259)

The bit I've never understood about his story - if you had a gun in your hand, and there was what you thought was a robber locked in the toilet - why would you shoot through the door? There's no immediate threat, and you couldn't aim for sh*t even if you were trying to kill them. Keep the bullets in case you need them and call the cops.

Alternatively, if you are in a murderous rage at your girlfriend and she is locked in the loo, at what stage would "I know, I'll shoot at her, nothing bad will come of that" enter your head?

By definition he can't of been in his right mind either way - so why didn't they go for a 'roid rage defence? He should be going down for manslaughter anyway - and it's more believable than his current story.

Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack (Post 11212202)

Rounds man, rounds: not bulllets.

Originally Posted by GarryP (Post 11212314)

Pah!

I'm talking about the bullets, delivered properly into the target, not the delivery mechanism as well. I'm all about the terminal effects, not the platform or auxiliary equipment...

:p:p:p

Originally Posted by GarryP (Post 11212314)

Pah!

I'm talking about the bullets, delivered properly into the target, not the delivery mechanism as well. I'm all about the terminal effects, not the platform or auxiliary equipment...

:p:p:p

Originally Posted by Molly Coddle (Post 11210454)

Whilst I was out and about in my car today I listened to his trial on the radio.
I have to say he sounded very convincing when reenacting the moment he shot his girlfriend.

So after today I've come to the conclusion he's either innocent or a damn good actor.



Has anyone else been following it? What are your thoughts?

Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack (Post 11212322)

I'm also not talking about the delivery mechanism....you can always tell someone who has gleaned info from movies or books because most professionals don't talk about bullets in that context....you might say the 'bullet entered' but you wouldn't talk about 'saving bullets for'...you might...but you would out yourself as an amateur, unwilling and innocently, of course!

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 11211131)

Yes I know there's no jury I was just .. ....... Oh never mind

OK never lived in SA. I hear burglury is common and guns are everywhere. Anyway Zulu ..... Care to comment how the average South African might juggle the 2?

Originally Posted by Amazulu (Post 11212375)

Even today, despite what the law says, the sytem is very much in favour of the homeowner/resident. Basically, if someone is in your home unlawfully and you waste them, the cops are going to take your side. Hell, in most cases it wouldn't even make page 20 pf the papers - it's the way this kind of shit goes down over there

This case is different as it is so high profile and the world is watching. If the people involved were not celebrities, we would never have heard a thing

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 11212462)

So having a gun in the house for protection, sport, whatever is not a rare thing?

Originally Posted by chris955 (Post 11211878)

I'm right loads of times, it's just that you dont always agree. :)

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 11212135)

Yep ... Sounds a nice love affair. ... Got anything concrete? ...... I'm finding it hard to make a decision on shades of grey and the women's rights movement.

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 11212462)

So having a gun in the house for protection, sport, whatever is not a rare thing?

Originally Posted by Amazulu (Post 11212475)

Very common. There were always guns in my house when I was growing up and I owned many right up until I left

I love guns and miss them

Restricting gun ownership is one of the things that most western countries have got wrong IMO - but that's a debate for another day

Originally Posted by Amazulu (Post 11212475)

Very common. There were always guns in my house when I was growing up and I owned many right up until I left

I love guns and miss them

Restricting gun ownership is one of the things that most western countries have got wrong IMO - but that's a debate for another day

Originally Posted by Kelli28 (Post 11212474)

Are you high?

Originally Posted by Kelli28 (Post 11212474)

Did he not shoot his girlfriend 4 times? He knew it was her, it's a whole load of BS that he thought it was a intruder. They were fighting she was locked in the toilet with her phone, now who locks the door on the ensuite at 3 in the morning taking there phone if they've just woken up for a pee? Not me or anyone else I know! I have however locked myself in the bathroom with my phone if I've been arguing.

Originally Posted by Amazulu (Post 11212475)

Very common. There were always guns in my house when I was growing up and I owned many right up until I left

I love guns and miss them

Restricting gun ownership is one of the things that most western countries have got wrong IMO -

Originally Posted by Amazulu (Post 11212475)

but that's a debate for another day

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 11212518)

So possessing a firearm and intending on using it as self protection is a perfectly reasonable argument in SA, whilst not so in the UK and Oz?

Remember that farmer that shot that burglar in the UK many years ago? There was uproar if I remember correctly.

Originally Posted by Swerv-o (Post 11212479)

Do you not have access to firearms in WA? In NSW it seems reasonably straightforward to obtain weapons, providing it's done through the umbrella of a n approved club etc. I looked at joining the local pistol club, but once through the tests and probation, revolvers and semi automatics are certainly available for target shooting.

Of course there's quite a bit of regulation on where and how they are stored, but you can obtain them.


S

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 11212514)

Only on weekends



I take my phone with me to the toilet all the time. Before phones could read the news, it was a newspaper.

At the end of the day, you are speculating. The purpose of the court is to determine beyond reasonable doubt whether he intentionally killed his girlfriend.

It's going to be very hard for a prosecutor to prove that. A recorded conversation or letter is probably the only way.

Originally Posted by GarryP (Post 11212360)

If you say so....

Originally Posted by The Squire of Onchan (Post 11212700)

Serious question:

How many burglars lock themselves in toilet cubicles prior to or post criminal activity unless they were caught short and needed to squeeze one out?

Case rested m'lud ...

Originally Posted by The Squire of Onchan (Post 11212700)

Serious question:

How many burglars lock themselves in toilet cubicles prior to or post criminal activity unless they were caught short and needed to squeeze one out?

Case rested m'lud ...

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 11212757)

Found 1

http://mynews13.com/content/news/cfn...gs_toilet.html

Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack (Post 11212780)

The law may be an ass but it tends to employ people who can see over usual BE tabloid 'they reckon' and 'they say' and 'it was not like this' and 'they don't do this' or 'they don't do that'...

I haven't read the link but I bet the burglar panicked....

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 11212514)

Only on weekends



I take my phone with me to the toilet all the time. Before phones could read the news, it was a newspaper.

At the end of the day, you are speculating. The purpose of the court is to determine beyond reasonable doubt whether he intentionally killed his girlfriend.

It's going to be very hard for a prosecutor to prove that. A recorded conversation or letter is probably the only way.

Originally Posted by Kelli28 (Post 11212865)

Nothing is ever black and white just many shades of grey. IMO given the facts I have, he is in my mind guilty.

I just think the Intruder scenario doesn't add up! He lived in a high rise apartment on a secure complex, he felt secure enough to go to sleep with the balcony doors open, a person that paranoid about intruders just wouldn't do that. She was locked in the ensuite toilet at 3am having a pee, my ensuite door doesn't even get closed if I need a pee at 3am! He's also has a reputation for being aggressive he once got up in the night and drove 400 miles to settle an argument with a ex girlfriend.

It will be up to the judges opinion if he can say he believes that without reasonable doubt he's guilty or not.

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 11212877)

Maybe she was taking a dump. Even I shut the ensuite door for that. ...... Sometimes.

Originally Posted by Miss Clinique (Post 11212958)

Heres my two pence worth.

I dont believe she got up for a pee, women of a certain age (of which I am one) get up in the night for a pee, sometime's twice. Younger women dont get up they have better bladder control. I am thinking of a couple of different scenarios
1 They were arguing, she was scared, ran to the bathroom picking up her phone off the bedside table and taking it with her to call for help.

2 She went to the loo while he was sleeping, to text or email someone possibly a man, he wasnt asleep, knew what she was up to and shot her in a jealous rage.

I dont buy that she went to the loo for a pee.

My thoughts.

Originally Posted by Kelli28 (Post 11212900)

When the wife yells at you for stinkng out the bedroom? :lol:

Originally Posted by Dorothy (Post 11213001)

My 19 year old daughter gets up sometimes in the night to use the toilet. Should I tell she should have better bladder control?

Originally Posted by Dorothy (Post 11213001)

My 19 year old daughter gets up sometimes in the night to use the toilet. Should I tell she should have better bladder control?

Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 11213130)

I know we had this discussion when he was first arrested but I've forgotten the answer, if/when he goes to prison presumably he goes legless?

Originally Posted by scottishcelts (Post 11213135)

That's a good question, but I'd assume that because he already owns a pair of 'leg feet' then he would have the right to take them with him. Then again, he may need to be locked up in solitary confinement due to being 'easy white butt meat'. :eek: So probers won't need them.

Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 11213168)

Any 'legs' could be used as weapons I'd have thought. How many legless people are there in prisons worldwide? :D

Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 11213168)

Any 'legs' could be used as weapons I'd have thought. How many legless people are there in prisons worldwide? :D