Off topic bickering from UKMouse's thread
Nov 21st 2009 | 4:36 pm
#16
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Re: I cant believe I'm typing this - WE'RE MOVING TO PERTH!
For you to consider yourself the judge of what people should/shouldn't be interested in reading about when making such a big decision is very pompous and makes you guilty of the narrow viewpoint that you are trying to accuse me of.
People should be able to hear about all sides of the story of moving to Australia. Why do they only need to hear the boring old ''I moved to Brisbane and love it here'' version over and over again? That might give them encouragement but is encouragement all they need? People need to be made aware that it is possible to make a move overseas and really not like it at all. People need to look into the future and have the facility to consider as many different eventualities as possible. We are not talking about which breed of puppy to buy here; we are discussing the country in which people are going to live their lives.
People should be able to hear about all sides of the story of moving to Australia. Why do they only need to hear the boring old ''I moved to Brisbane and love it here'' version over and over again? That might give them encouragement but is encouragement all they need? People need to be made aware that it is possible to make a move overseas and really not like it at all. People need to look into the future and have the facility to consider as many different eventualities as possible. We are not talking about which breed of puppy to buy here; we are discussing the country in which people are going to live their lives.
Like I said advice good and bad is what this forum is all about, but do you really believe that constant negative posts are going to be helpful? indeed if all you ever post is how crap the place is, do you think people will take anything you say seriously, even when you are making salient points.
Nov 21st 2009 | 7:14 pm
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Re: I cant believe I'm typing this - WE'RE MOVING TO PERTH!
Still intrigued by the rationale that decrees that if you are ''anti-Australia'' you must be a ''troll''.
Surely the implication there is that no one could possibly hold genuine views against Australia, so they must be fabricating them as part of their desire to be a ''troll''.
Tough if you can't understand why someone wouldn't like Australia. That's your problem. Doesn't make someone who dislikes the place a ''troll''.
Lazy, cheap and all too convenient way of trying to invite the mods to shut someone down just because they are expressing views you happen not to like/agree with.
Calling someone a ''troll'' is the internet forum equivalent of a school kid saying ''my Dad's bigger than your Dad'' or ''he started it''.
Pathetic.
Surely the implication there is that no one could possibly hold genuine views against Australia, so they must be fabricating them as part of their desire to be a ''troll''.
Tough if you can't understand why someone wouldn't like Australia. That's your problem. Doesn't make someone who dislikes the place a ''troll''.
Lazy, cheap and all too convenient way of trying to invite the mods to shut someone down just because they are expressing views you happen not to like/agree with.
Calling someone a ''troll'' is the internet forum equivalent of a school kid saying ''my Dad's bigger than your Dad'' or ''he started it''.
Pathetic.
BE Forum Rules: http://britishexpats.com/site-rules/
"4. Trolling on this site is not tolerated. We define trolling as any inflammatory threads or posts that are started with the sole intent of upsetting or antagonizing other members. Anyone found making such posts will be removed from the forums."
And as the OP stated:
Actually.... (with the deepest respect) this is my thread, and we're discussing the fact that we are delighted that we have the opportnutity to move to Perth.
Its isnt a 'What is Perth / Australia like?' thread.
Its a 'We're very excited' thread.
The difference is... at a friends surprise birthday party are you the person that shouts 'SURPRISE, CONGRATULATIONS' with everyone else.... or are you the person that pipes up 'Stop celebrating - you're another year nearer death!'
Its isnt a 'What is Perth / Australia like?' thread.
Its a 'We're very excited' thread.
The difference is... at a friends surprise birthday party are you the person that shouts 'SURPRISE, CONGRATULATIONS' with everyone else.... or are you the person that pipes up 'Stop celebrating - you're another year nearer death!'
Was contributing nothing in a positive way and therefore was a provocative statement which fits the description above in rule #4.
Do you say to someone who has just announced that they are expecting a baby "I can't believe I'm hearing this" or do you say something positive and congratulatory?
Maybe a Mod could clarify whether my take on this situation is in line with BE policy or not?
Last edited by Alfresco; Nov 21st 2009 at 7:22 pm.
Nov 21st 2009 | 7:35 pm
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Re: I cant believe I'm typing this - WE'RE MOVING TO PERTH!
There is room for negative comments about OZ but not in this thread, if the title of the thread was " Should we move to Australia" then negative comments would be OK, but as the title is ' we are moving to Australia" negative comments are just a waste of time and serve no purpose other then to wind people up.
Nov 21st 2009 | 9:01 pm
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Re: I cant believe I'm typing this - WE'RE MOVING TO PERTH!
BE Forum Rules: http://britishexpats.com/site-rules/
"4. Trolling on this site is not tolerated. We define trolling as any inflammatory threads or posts that are started with the sole intent of upsetting or antagonizing other members. Anyone found making such posts will be removed from the forums."
And as the OP stated:
So your post:
Was contributing nothing in a positive way and therefore was a provocative statement which fits the description above in rule #4.
Do you say to someone who has just announced that they are expecting a baby "I can't believe I'm hearing this" or do you say something positive and congratulatory?
Maybe a Mod could clarify whether my take on this situation is in line with BE policy or not?
"4. Trolling on this site is not tolerated. We define trolling as any inflammatory threads or posts that are started with the sole intent of upsetting or antagonizing other members. Anyone found making such posts will be removed from the forums."
And as the OP stated:
So your post:
Was contributing nothing in a positive way and therefore was a provocative statement which fits the description above in rule #4.
Do you say to someone who has just announced that they are expecting a baby "I can't believe I'm hearing this" or do you say something positive and congratulatory?
Maybe a Mod could clarify whether my take on this situation is in line with BE policy or not?
Aah, but the big problem with all of this arrogant nonsense you put forward is that people only bother to refer to the ''rules'' when someone who is anti-Australia ''breaks'' them.
If someone like Hutch or Renth, who are both clearly in favour of Australia to put it mildly, said something like ''I can't believe I'm reading it'' (and I can think of plenty of times they have said things very similar to this with the sole intention of mocking someone's negative view of Australia) no one seems to care and the word ''troll'' is certainly never mentioned.
Too complicated for you to grasp though I expect.
Nov 21st 2009 | 9:07 pm
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Re: I cant believe I'm typing this - WE'RE MOVING TO PERTH!
Hutch and Renth and many others like them FREQUENTLY post remarks with the SOLE purpose of mocking the views of others/provoking them.
Why is this not termed ''trolling''?
I can tell you why.
Because they come at it from a pro-Australia standpoint, which people find acceptable.
That is the ONLY difference.
So apply the same rules to all or shut the hell up with your pathetic, childish and predictable cries of ''troll''.
Why is this not termed ''trolling''?
I can tell you why.
Because they come at it from a pro-Australia standpoint, which people find acceptable.
That is the ONLY difference.
So apply the same rules to all or shut the hell up with your pathetic, childish and predictable cries of ''troll''.
Nov 21st 2009 | 9:09 pm
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Re: I cant believe I'm typing this - WE'RE MOVING TO PERTH!
Hutch and Renth and many others like them FREQUENTLY post remarks with the SOLE purpose of mocking the views of others/provoking them.
Why is this not termed ''trolling''?
I can tell you why.
Because they come at it from a pro-Australia standpoint, which people find acceptable.
That is the ONLY difference.
So apply the same rules to all or shut the hell up with your pathetic, childish and predictable cries of ''troll''.
Why is this not termed ''trolling''?
I can tell you why.
Because they come at it from a pro-Australia standpoint, which people find acceptable.
That is the ONLY difference.
So apply the same rules to all or shut the hell up with your pathetic, childish and predictable cries of ''troll''.
Nov 21st 2009 | 9:11 pm
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Re: I cant believe I'm typing this - WE'RE MOVING TO PERTH!
Yeah well Keith until some of your buddies learn to drop their girly shrieks of ''ooh, tell the nasty troll off, miss'' then what do you expect?
I have a totally fair point here. The justification for calling someone like me a troll is that, apparently, I make provocative posts.
How is this different from Hutch or Renth? Answer: it isn't.
I have a totally fair point here. The justification for calling someone like me a troll is that, apparently, I make provocative posts.
How is this different from Hutch or Renth? Answer: it isn't.
Nov 21st 2009 | 9:16 pm
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Re: I cant believe I'm typing this - WE'RE MOVING TO PERTH!
Yeah well Keith until some of your buddies learn to drop their girly shrieks of ''ooh, tell the nasty troll off, miss'' then what do you expect?
I have a totally fair point here. The justification for calling someone like me a troll is that, apparently, I make provocative posts.
How is this different from Hutch or Renth? Answer: it isn't.
I have a totally fair point here. The justification for calling someone like me a troll is that, apparently, I make provocative posts.
How is this different from Hutch or Renth? Answer: it isn't.
Nov 21st 2009 | 9:18 pm
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Re: I cant believe I'm typing this - WE'RE MOVING TO PERTH!
Yeah well Keith until some of your buddies learn to drop their girly shrieks of ''ooh, tell the nasty troll off, miss'' then what do you expect?
I have a totally fair point here. The justification for calling someone like me a troll is that, apparently, I make provocative posts.
How is this different from Hutch or Renth? Answer: it isn't.
I have a totally fair point here. The justification for calling someone like me a troll is that, apparently, I make provocative posts.
How is this different from Hutch or Renth? Answer: it isn't.
Nov 21st 2009 | 9:20 pm
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Re: I cant believe I'm typing this - WE'RE MOVING TO PERTH!
You tolerate it from them so learn to tolerate it from everyone.
Just because someone does not approach the topic from a perspective that you agree with does not mean they should be labelled a ''troll'' or indeed anything else.
Nov 21st 2009 | 9:22 pm
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Re: I cant believe I'm typing this - WE'RE MOVING TO PERTH!
Nov 21st 2009 | 9:24 pm
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Re: I cant believe I'm typing this - WE'RE MOVING TO PERTH!
Why would you make negative comments on this thread about someone moving to OZ unless you were being a troll, the person seemed happy about moving to OZ and wanted to share it with the forum and you seemed to want to ruin it for them. Not everyone who immigrants to OZ ends up hating it most like the place.
Won't stop people like Hutch and Renth taking the piss in their usual way, will it?
Again, you just can't grasp this, can you?
Nov 21st 2009 | 9:24 pm
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Re: I cant believe I'm typing this - WE'RE MOVING TO PERTH!
For you to consider yourself the judge of what people should/shouldn't be interested in reading about when making such a big decision is very pompous and makes you guilty of the narrow viewpoint that you are trying to accuse me of.
People should be able to hear about all sides of the story of moving to Australia. Why do they only need to hear the boring old ''I moved to Brisbane and love it here'' version over and over again? That might give them encouragement but is encouragement all they need? People need to be made aware that it is possible to make a move overseas and really not like it at all. People need to look into the future and have the facility to consider as many different eventualities as possible. We are not talking about which breed of puppy to buy here; we are discussing the country in which people are going to live their lives.
People should be able to hear about all sides of the story of moving to Australia. Why do they only need to hear the boring old ''I moved to Brisbane and love it here'' version over and over again? That might give them encouragement but is encouragement all they need? People need to be made aware that it is possible to make a move overseas and really not like it at all. People need to look into the future and have the facility to consider as many different eventualities as possible. We are not talking about which breed of puppy to buy here; we are discussing the country in which people are going to live their lives.
Nov 21st 2009 | 9:25 pm
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Re: I cant believe I'm typing this - WE'RE MOVING TO PERTH!
No they don't.
People are bothered by sarcasm directed at the expense of Australia and those that love it.
People are not bothered to ANYTHING LIKE THE SAME EXTENT by sarcasm directed at the expense of the UK and those that love it.
People are bothered by sarcasm directed at the expense of Australia and those that love it.
People are not bothered to ANYTHING LIKE THE SAME EXTENT by sarcasm directed at the expense of the UK and those that love it.
