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British Expats (https://britishexpats.com/forum/)

- The Barbie (https://britishexpats.com/forum/barbie-92/)

- - Nuclear Meltdown? (https://britishexpats.com/forum/barbie-92/nuclear-meltdown-708987/)

Rambi

Mar 17th 2011 9:42 am

Re: Nuclear Meltdown?

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Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus (Post 9247061)

OK. I thought there may have been a couple using hydro but didn't think too many would use pumped storage. Just how much pumped storage is there in the world?
I only knew of Dinorwig in the UK and I'm not aware of any here in Australia... that doesn't mean there isn't plenty, just that I've never heard of any :)

I agree. I've only heard of Dinorwig which was only built to cope with the electric spike during Coronation St (and/or possibly East Enders). A programme I saw once said that the peak time viewing spoke is a peculiarly British thing. Not sure how true that is.

renth

Mar 17th 2011 9:43 am

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Originally Posted by Bob (Post 9247056)

As opposed to media hype that's not covering reality?

Sorry mate I don't watch CNN or MSNBC so I don't know what their angle is but I did see your Teleprompter Reader in Chief - President Owebama telling everyone in the US that "everything is fine".

iamthecreaturefromuranus

Mar 17th 2011 9:43 am

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Originally Posted by Rambi (Post 9247066)

Probably less true now than it was when there was only ITV, BBC1 and BBC2.

Cape Blue

Mar 17th 2011 9:48 am

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Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus (Post 9247061)

I don't know about Aus, the US has around 21GW of pumped storage capacity which is around 2.5% of basleoad power.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroel..._United_States

iamthecreaturefromuranus

Mar 17th 2011 9:55 am

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Originally Posted by Cape Blue (Post 9247075)

I don't know about Aus, the US has around 21GW of pumped storage capacity which is around 2.5% of basleoad power.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroel..._United_States

We seem to have one.

Tumut 3 Power StationTumut 3 has 6 turbines, with a generating capacity of 1,500MW of electricity.

...and its currently shut down, undergoing maintenance.

Rambi

Mar 17th 2011 9:58 am

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Here's a list of ones over a certain size.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...power_stations

Turban Explorer

Mar 17th 2011 9:59 am

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Originally Posted by Rambi (Post 9247066)

There's shit's chance of a TV viewing induced electric spike ever hitting Australia.

Rambi

Mar 17th 2011 10:01 am

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Originally Posted by Turban Explorer (Post 9247097)

There's shit's chance of a TV viewing induced electric spike ever hitting Australia.

The viewers would have to coordinate which ad break they were going to make coffee in. :D

Plus for most people, how much energy is used up opening the fridge to get another cold one out. :D

Vegemite Kids

Mar 17th 2011 10:40 am

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Originally Posted by Rambi (Post 9247018)

Chernobyl. It's meaningless to calculate a ration of those 50 deaths and all the nuclear electricity generated between 1985 and 2005 because Chernobyl wasn't operating during that period and I'm fairly sure there must have been some deaths on other nuclear plants during that period.

Errrrm,actually it was:o

The Chernobyl incident occurred in April 1986 and only took out 1 reactor. The remaining 3 reactors were continued to be allowed to operate cos the Ukraine was so short of power.

Those reactors were shutdown in 1991, 1996 & 2000 respectively.

People are still working at the plant today as part of the decommissioning team, removing equipment etc

jimbo_d

Mar 17th 2011 10:43 am

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Originally Posted by renth (Post 9247035)

US, UK Pull Search Teams Out Of Japan As TEPCO Admits Situation Is "Severe"

"This is a severe incident that is occurring right now," the spokesman said at a news conference. "We have vented and used seawater as cooling, followed the accident management plan but this is a very severe operation." The admission comes as plant operator Tokyo Electric Power Co (Tepco) continues attempts to stop the six-reactor Fukushima 1 complex from going into nuclear meltdown. "We have to keep cooling the fuel so it doesn't reach criticality," the Tepco spokesman said, adding that radiation levels have barely fallen at the site." Translation: if operation "Irrigation" fails, TEPCO itself confirms the chance of a critical reaction in the nuclear fuel is very high. Which of course would explain why everyone who knows more than the average peasant who just watches manipulated media, is getting the hell out of dodge."

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/us-...tuation-severe

Power is back on now, this was what the real experts were hoping for as the start of the end for this part of the disaster, if they can keep the pumps cooling the reactors. Now hopefully the media can start looking at the elephant in the room in the humanitarian crisis in Japan. The media globally have been really quite sick in their coverage of the nuclear incident, hyping up any possible risk of meltdown shame on them.

Rambi

Mar 17th 2011 11:24 am

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Originally Posted by Vegemite Kids (Post 9247179)

And no one died in that time?

So are you saying it's still producing power?

iamthecreaturefromuranus

Mar 17th 2011 11:29 am

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Originally Posted by Rambi (Post 9247249)

And no one died in that time?

So are you saying it's still producing power?

It was for several years after the accident, yes.

Rambi

Mar 17th 2011 11:30 am

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Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus (Post 9247257)

It was for several years after the accident, yes.

But during decommissioning? That doesn't sound right.

iamthecreaturefromuranus

Mar 17th 2011 11:34 am

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Originally Posted by Rambi (Post 9247261)

But during decommissioning? That doesn't sound right.

Power production ceased in 2000.
As Vegie said earlier, they really had little choice but to keep the rest of the plant running. It would have been that, or turn the lights off. Info here

http://www.power-technology.com/projects/chernobyl/

Turban Explorer

Mar 17th 2011 11:54 am

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It's disturbing how the German government has suddenly gone full steam towards an exit from nuclear power. I would have hoped if anything good comes out of the catastrophe in Japan it would be investment in new technology to render nuclear power safer. Reversing straight back into fossil fuel means a set back to clean energy of decades.

A lot of nuclear design technology used is from the 1950s. Japan should be the wake up call that Western governments need to invest in hi tech safer and cleaner facilities - not to give up on it for short term political gain. The public misconception that all nuclear power is bad has prevented many governments from exploiting potentially earth saving source of power. I think governments should be educating people away from that paranoia rather than pandering to it.

France has nearly 80% nuclear power. They clearly don't have the same paranoia that so many other populi have fallen into.

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