Re: Mandela RIP
 

Violence - protracted. Figures provided by Stanford University, from 1978. Had anyone moved to change or prevent that, then perhaps some horrors might have been avoided. Oh, wait, somebody did move - Mandela.

http://www-cs-students.stanford.edu/...ures/table.jpg

Re: Mandela RIP
 

Would be interesting to see non-race based stats broken up by tens of years and over a few hundred years.

Average lifespan
Murder rate
Child mortality up to age 5
Access to education
Literacy
Democratic rights
Corruption
Crime stats (robberies, etc)
Population happiness
Malnutrition
Poverty
Average salary
Incidents of rape
Child murder
Infrastructure quality
etc

Anyone dare to guess/predict where the golden years were/will be?

Re: Mandela RIP
 

Not quite as pretty, but yet another reminder of this 'great' man.

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_ZL3Kngb81qo/Sp...jpg?imgmax=800

Church St. Pretoria bombing....19 dead (8 blacks ), plus many more maimed and injured.

'Saint' Mandela personally "signed off" on this and many more bombings.

Re: Mandela RIP
 

That ones easy to check. Life expectency in SA is currently 10 years below its 1990 level.

Re: Mandela RIP
 

Blimey, I didn't realise it had gone down as much as that. And when we think about it that's single indicator can be seen as a pretty good logical consequence of nearly all the other indicators.

https://www.google.com.au/#q=average...y+south+africa

If we accept what Wikipedia says on the matter, South Africa is only 58 as opposed to us at 82. Nearly every country towards the bottom is in Africa. I wonder what the life expectancy was when each country was at it's "colonial heyday".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ife_expectancy

Re: Mandela RIP
 

The graph looks like :

https://img.timetric.com/index/life-...-africa-wb.png

But this is driven by AIDS and the failure to properly address prevention, coupled with the inability to access drugs.


http://media.economist.com/images/im...204_mac753.gif

It's seen across africa, with roughly the same shape in the 'life expectancy at birth' curve.

Re: Mandela RIP
 

I'm not making any claims as to why it is, just stating what it is.

I suppose you could have an interesting discussion about if the SA Minister of Health in the 1980's would be making claims that garlic, lemons, beetroot and olive oil were cures for AIDS, as the SA Minister for Health in 2005 was doing.

Re: Mandela RIP
 

The health of a country is also dependant on its leaders

Re: Mandela RIP
 

The SA president during Dr Beetroot's time was also a complete disaster. Then came Zuma...

http://www.zapiro.com/Cartoons/m_100211mg.jpg

Re: Mandela RIP
 

That just about says it all. I dont know how anyone who ever supported apartheid can sleep at night and should be ashamed of themselves but I doubt they are.

Re: Mandela RIP
 

You will find that some of those stats will be pretty similar today, if not worse in regard to black people

After nearly 20 years in power, the ANC has proven that it is incapable of effective, democratic government

So much hope and expectation but the ANC looked at the Mercedes Benz M-class, Gulfstream jets, luxurious holiday homes, vintage champagne, $5000 office chairs etc - and decided that they preferred those instead

Re: Mandela RIP
 

It says everything you and your loony left friends want to believe. So what is your take on Zimbabwe? Or have you conveniently forgotten that other liberated paradise?

Re: Mandela RIP
 

The problem with misinformed liberal westerners like the one you are replying to is that they can only see Africa from a western, black and white viewpoint: white man - bad, black man - saintly. White rule = evil, therefore all opposition to it is good. They've never heard of (or choose not to have heard of) the PAC, MK, MPLA, FRELIMO, ZIPRA, 5th Brigade, Cuban Expeditionary force plus friends

There's some thoroughly unpleasant people amongst that lot but ignorance is bliss!

Re: Mandela RIP
 

A Free Limo sounds pretty handy. ;)

Re: Mandela RIP
 

Mmmm.... saintly/sexy, it's all the same to me ;)http://www.aceshowbiz.com/images/wen...black-3-07.jpg