Manchester
#91
Re: Manchester
- You can't cart them off to jail (and it would be counterproductive).
- You can't keep them under surveillance 24/7 (don't have the manpower).
- You can't tag them (again, counterproductive)
- You can't ignore it (because if they do attack people...)
And we probably need politicians watched with at least the that level of attention as a terrorist, for roughly similar reasons.
#92
Account Closed
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 0
Re: Manchester
I'm thinking that the immediate question is, if the authorities have been 'tipped off' that person X is unstable and potentially an issue, what do they do about it?
And we probably need politicians watched with at least the that level of attention as a terrorist, for roughly similar reasons.
- You can't cart them off to jail (and it would be counterproductive).
- You can't keep them under surveillance 24/7 (don't have the manpower).
- You can't tag them (again, counterproductive)
- You can't ignore it (because if they do attack people...)
And we probably need politicians watched with at least the that level of attention as a terrorist, for roughly similar reasons.
They need to do something pretty bloody quick, and it should probably take the form of internment of suspects, or deportation of suspects. This is where years of 'carry on as usual', and 'it's not all Muslims' and ignoring the problem has got us. We've let a molehill become mountain, it's our own fault.
#93
Re: Manchester
They need to do something pretty bloody quick, and it should probably take the form of internment of suspects, or deportation of suspects. This is where years of 'carry on as usual', and 'it's not all Muslims' and ignoring the problem has got us. We've let a molehill become mountain, it's our own fault.
#95
Account Closed
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 0
Re: Manchester
The thing is Garry, we all know where this hate speech leads, so the preachers at the very least need isolating from the people they radicalize. It doesn't matter how tolerant you are, this death cult needs obliterating.
Last edited by scrubbedexpat098; Jun 5th 2017 at 6:03 am.
#97
Account Closed
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 0
Re: Manchester
1st, 2nd 3rd, whatever they are, piss em off and cancel their passports. They won't be stateless, they'll have their beloved Islamic state
#98
Re: Manchester
Bring it on
#99
Lost in BE Cyberspace
Joined: Jul 2016
Posts: 10,009
Re: Manchester
I'm thinking that the immediate question is, if the authorities have been 'tipped off' that person X is unstable and potentially an issue, what do they do about it?
And we probably need politicians watched with at least the that level of attention as a terrorist, for roughly similar reasons.
- You can't cart them off to jail (and it would be counterproductive).
- You can't keep them under surveillance 24/7 (don't have the manpower).
- You can't tag them (again, counterproductive)
- You can't ignore it (because if they do attack people...)
And we probably need politicians watched with at least the that level of attention as a terrorist, for roughly similar reasons.
#100
Account Closed
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 0
Re: Manchester
I reckon there'll be some tough stuff going on, even if just to satisfy the public. They'll start taking to the streets if there's a couple more of these incidents.
#101
Lost in BE Cyberspace
Joined: Jul 2016
Posts: 10,009
Re: Manchester
It will take a lot for there to be mass demonstrations in favor of tougher measures against the Islamic extremists. Even if there were ten times the number if terror attacks, there will be those against tougher measures for their own ideological reasons. Who would have thought crazy Jihadists stabbing people on the street wouldn't be enough to show extent of the problem ad for public to be more demanding of stronger measures ?
#102
Account Closed
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 0
Re: Manchester
It will take a lot for there to be mass demonstrations in favor of tougher measures against the Islamic extremists. Even if there were ten times the number if terror attacks, there will be those against tougher measures for their own ideological reasons. Who would have thought crazy Jihadists stabbing people on the street wouldn't be enough to show extent of the problem ad for public to be more demanding of stronger measures ?
#103
Re: Manchester
It will take a lot for there to be mass demonstrations in favor of tougher measures against the Islamic extremists. Even if there were ten times the number if terror attacks, there will be those against tougher measures for their own ideological reasons. Who would have thought crazy Jihadists stabbing people on the street wouldn't be enough to show extent of the problem ad for public to be more demanding of stronger measures ?
I'm not sure what you base your claim that people aren't outraged by what's happened and that there isn't consensus that more needs to be done. What is at issue is why is it happening and what CAN be done to prevent it?
The Asst Commissioner of the Met said we are now in a situation whereby terrorism is 'low tech' (e.g. hire a van and mow people down randomly) and by nature impossible to detect and prevent. Let's have a real commitment to funding increased security and policing for a kick off. Increase sentences by all means but will this deter extremists prepared to die for their twisted cause?
The same Theresa May - Theresa May has left Britain's police demoralised and angry. Now we just don't trust her
#104
Re: Manchester
'Who would have thought' that Theresa May as Home Secretary would have presided over the reduction in the number of police by 20,000 whilst now pronouncing 'enough is enough' and that we'll do all we can to tackle extremism?
I'm not sure what you base your claim that people aren't outraged by what's happened and that there isn't consensus that more needs to be done. What is at issue is why is it happening and what CAN be done to prevent it?
The Asst Commissioner of the Met said we are now in a situation whereby terrorism is 'low tech' (e.g. hire a van and mow people down randomly) and by nature impossible to detect and prevent. Let's have a real commitment to funding increased security and policing for a kick off. Increase sentences by all means but will this deter extremists prepared to die for their twisted cause?
The same Theresa May - Theresa May has left Britain's police demoralised and angry. Now we just don't trust her
I'm not sure what you base your claim that people aren't outraged by what's happened and that there isn't consensus that more needs to be done. What is at issue is why is it happening and what CAN be done to prevent it?
The Asst Commissioner of the Met said we are now in a situation whereby terrorism is 'low tech' (e.g. hire a van and mow people down randomly) and by nature impossible to detect and prevent. Let's have a real commitment to funding increased security and policing for a kick off. Increase sentences by all means but will this deter extremists prepared to die for their twisted cause?
The same Theresa May - Theresa May has left Britain's police demoralised and angry. Now we just don't trust her
#105
Re: Manchester
It is a challenging situation but more needs to be done. Instead of "we cant do more surveillance because of current manpower levels", increase the manpower levels. Close down any Mosque preaching hate. Hire more people to shut down radical Islamic web sites. Increase police presence. Deportations wherever possible of those who incite violence. Restrict the validity of British passports for travel without pre-authorization to certain countries.
And I think they made a mistake by trying to stop people going to fight for ISIS. Better to have them leave the country, make note of it, then don't let them back unless you can use them for propaganda on a very short leech (if they survive at all). Once they have gone, they have committed a crime that allows you more leeway to deal with them.
As for hate preachers, ridicule is more effective than swat teams.
The problem is May is looking to exploit it for her own authoritarian agenda - which is a bigger threat than the terrorist could ever be. Doism needs to be avoided, in particular with her involved.