Jackson Jive
Oct 9th 2009 | 1:25 pm
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Re: Jackson Jive
If you are using the film Gallipoli to portray the facts behind that campaign then you are basically teaching them crap. I have no issue with the film being used as entertainment, but I do have issue with it being portrayed as some sort of historical document. My own 15yr old son has just been through that same nonsense at his school and he had the balls to tell his teacher it was rubbish... a teacher I may add who, according to my son, had never heard of the Somme. A battle that took even more Australian live than Gallipoli !!
The main driver behind that film, was, as I stated before, to help boost Rupert Murdoch's campaign for a Republic in Australia by portraying the British in the worse possible light. By using it in all Australian schools all you are doing is helping him achieve that.
Oct 9th 2009 | 2:59 pm
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Re: Jackson Jive
The fact that are even making a comparison between the two demonstrates how truly ignorant you are. I guess you fit in well over there...
Oct 9th 2009 | 3:34 pm
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Re: Jackson Jive
The slaughter at Gallipoli was England fault not Austrlia, it was English politcans and generals that organised and came up with the stupid idea of opening up another front in Turkey. But l dont see what it has to do with the topic " The jackson 5" unless Michael Jackson was in the gallipoli film,
Oct 9th 2009 | 3:38 pm
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Re: Jackson Jive
It is the PC brigade on here who are actually racist. 1. They say that Australians cannot blacken their face and pretend to be black people because it is racist. They ignore examples from the UK and America where the exact same thing has occurred. 2. To blacken your face is racist because having a black face is bad in some way.
Oct 9th 2009 | 3:49 pm
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Re: Jackson Jive
The slaughter at Gallipoli was England fault not Austrlia, it was English politcans and generals that organised and came up with the stupid idea of opening up another front in Turkey. But l dont see what it has to do with the topic " The jackson 5" unless Michael Jackson was in the gallipoli film,
....and why is it in this thread.. because threads evolve.
Oct 9th 2009 | 5:58 pm
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Yes and my kids in the last two years have been plus 3 in their exam results. For your information, I teach my students about bias and how all films and most other historical sources etc are constructs of the cultural and historical biases people have. You clearly believe that Gallipoli should somehow include the Brits and French, well have you ever written a screenplay? Didn't think so. The fact is that you only include information that is relevant to the plot and development of characters. You have taken umbrage because the "evil" character in the film is the British general who sent the Aussie troops needlessly to their deaths. That General represents the British Empire as a metaphor. And, unfortunately, Britain was an empire and WW1 was about nationalism and imperialism more than anything else, and Britain is guilty of that. THe world has moved on from this, and so has Britain, which is great. I show my kids the film Gallipoli in year 10 when they are learning about Australian conflicts because it gets them engaged and I believe gives them an understanding of Australia in that era, and the realities of war. The students are taught that ANZACs were part of an allied landing force, including French and British soldiers. I don't think the students even get that the "bad guy" is British. It is, in fact, a powerful and moving film, if they want to study Gallipoli in more depth they do in year 12 history. I don't show the film to year 12's as there is not enough time in the curriculum and most have seen it anyway. I really do think you are being precious and condescending, and quite frankly, to want Australians to present the British viewpoint in their films is quite frankly stupid and imperial.
Oct 9th 2009 | 6:08 pm
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Re: Jackson Jive
The funniest thing about this whole thread, Jackson Jive, Gallipoli.... Australians really couldn't care less and don't feel the need to justify themselves over something so petty. Hey Hey It's Saturday's Red Faces is renowned for those type of ridiculous, cringeworthy acts and that's what makes it funny. I remember in the 80's three gorgeous girls blacked themselves up and put huge fake boobs under their skin tight black mini dresses and did a few supremes numbers. Members of the wiggles were on the show dressed as penguins during their uni days, Raymond J Bartholemu was one of the acts, the list is endless. Hey, Hey was just a really stupid show that got most of us watched growing up as we were getting ready to go out on a Saturday night. Chook lotto and Plucka Duck, really, really stupid, but just mind numbing fun. Don't take it all so seriously folks.
Oct 9th 2009 | 6:26 pm
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Re: Jackson Jive
The funniest thing about this whole thread, Jackson Jive, Gallipoli.... Australians really couldn't care less and don't feel the need to justify themselves over something so petty. Hey Hey It's Saturday's Red Faces is renowned for those type of ridiculous, cringeworthy acts and that's what makes it funny. I remember in the 80's three gorgeous girls blacked themselves up and put huge fake boobs under their skin tight black mini dresses and did a few supremes numbers. Members of the wiggles were on the show dressed as penguins during their uni days, Raymond J Bartholemu was one of the acts, the list is endless. Hey, Hey was just a really stupid show that got most of us watched growing up as we were getting ready to go out on a Saturday night. Chook lotto and Plucka Duck, really, really stupid, but just mind numbing fun. Don't take it all so seriously folks.
Oct 9th 2009 | 6:30 pm
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Re: Jackson Jive
Actually you are dead wrong. Australian media went on the offensive trying to justify the Jackson Jive as 'just a bit of fun'; which personally I agree with and have been hitting out at US complaints about the show. So they really DO feel the need to justify themselves.
Oct 9th 2009 | 6:32 pm
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All those English inbred upper class Champagne sipping generals that thought ordering men to run straight into the German machine guns like at the Somme was he way to win the war, it was Aussie generals like Monash that had the brains to use new tactics that won the war.
Oct 9th 2009 | 7:32 pm
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Re: Jackson Jive
I think you mean Britain, not England and the "stupid idea" of opening up another front was perfectly valid and if it had worked would have been hailed as a masterstroke. Generals don't commit thousands of valuable troops to campaigns unless they have a bloody good reason for it.
....and why is it in this thread.. because threads evolve.
....and why is it in this thread.. because threads evolve.
