Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus

Don't be stupid. I don't expect Australian kids to be shown a British viewpoint in their history lessons... I expect them to be shown the FACTS.

If you are using the film Gallipoli to portray the facts behind that campaign then you are basically teaching them crap. I have no issue with the film being used as entertainment, but I do have issue with it being portrayed as some sort of historical document. My own 15yr old son has just been through that same nonsense at his school and he had the balls to tell his teacher it was rubbish... a teacher I may add who, according to my son, had never heard of the Somme. A battle that took even more Australian live than Gallipoli !!

The main driver behind that film, was, as I stated before, to help boost Rupert Murdoch's campaign for a Republic in Australia by portraying the British in the worse possible light. By using it in all Australian schools all you are doing is helping him achieve that.

Originally Posted by Tooterelli

How do you think the poor penguins feel about that?!

Originally Posted by aussietobe

Yes and my kids in the last two years have been plus 3 in their exam results. For your information, I teach my students about bias and how all films and most other historical sources etc are constructs of the cultural and historical biases people have. You clearly believe that Gallipoli should somehow include the Brits and French, well have you ever written a screenplay? Didn't think so. The fact is that you only include information that is relevant to the plot and development of characters. You have taken umbrage because the "evil" character in the film is the British general who sent the Aussie troops needlessly to their deaths. That General represents the British Empire as a metaphor. And, unfortunately, Britain was an empire and WW1 was about nationalism and imperialism more than anything else, and Britain is guilty of that. THe world has moved on from this, and so has Britain, which is great. I show my kids the film Gallipoli in year 10 when they are learning about Australian conflicts because it gets them engaged and I believe gives them an understanding of Australia in that era, and the realities of war. The students are taught that ANZACs were part of an allied landing force, including French and British soldiers. I don't think the students even get that the "bad guy" is British. It is, in fact, a powerful and moving film, if they want to study Gallipoli in more depth they do in year 12 history. I don't show the film to year 12's as there is not enough time in the curriculum and most have seen it anyway. I really do think you are being precious and condescending, and quite frankly, to want Australians to present the British viewpoint in their films is quite frankly stupid and imperial.

Originally Posted by saveme

I like your historical views. Could you do a similar analysis of 'Braveheart' for me?

I was under the impression that in 1066 the Normans invaded, conquered and enslaved the English. How then did the Normans mysteriously morph into the English just in time for Braveheart?

Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus

Shut it you.

Originally Posted by kporte

Don't get me started on the kilt wearing Mel 200 years before it was worn

Originally Posted by mohogony

The slaughter at Gallipoli was England fault not Austrlia, it was English politcans and generals that organised and came up with the stupid idea of opening up another front in Turkey. But l dont see what it has to do with the topic " The jackson 5" unless Michael Jackson was in the gallipoli film,

Originally Posted by aussietobe

It is the PC brigade on here who are actually racist. 1. They say that Australians cannot blacken their face and pretend to be black people because it is racist. They ignore examples from the UK and America where the exact same thing has occurred. 2. To blacken your face is racist because having a black face is bad in some way.

Originally Posted by ripvanwinkle

In general, Australians don't attempt to justify themselves when foreigners have the audacity to project their own cultural retardation onto us, we just roll our eyes and tell you pussies to *suck it up*. The fact that many Western nations tiptoe on eggshells when discussing issues regarding race and religion, and are unable to take what may be regarded as obnoxious jokes in good humour, is *their* problem, not ours. If you don't like it, then go back to your own multicultural, racially sensitive, politically correct paradise, where being censored and suppressed by the thought police is oh so more preferable than risking offending a small proportion of a micro-minority group.

Continue tiptoeing on eggshells you dumb limeys, but know that us 'backwards' Australians are laughing at you.

Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus

It's one of the reasons I fit in so well.

Originally Posted by sun burnt in aus

No it's because in developed nations the majority are ever evolving and moving in a direction where such derogatory attacks are not accepted. australia, at best, is about 40 years behind with that. They still use the words abo and bung at will and have absolutely no concern as to how those they are referring to think of it. Now for those that don't know, go ask an aboriginal what he/she thinks of abo or bung. They are akin to nigger to someone with african decent.

Originally Posted by sun burnt in aus

No it's because in developed nations the majority are ever evolving and moving in a direction where such derogatory attacks are not accepted. australia, at best, is about 40 years behind with that. They still use the words abo and bung at will and have absolutely no concern as to how those they are referring to think of it. Now for those that don't know, go ask an aboriginal what he/she thinks of abo or bung. They are akin to nigger to someone with african decent.

Originally Posted by sun burnt in aus

No it's because in developed nations the majority are ever evolving and moving in a direction where such derogatory attacks are not accepted. australia, at best, is about 40 years behind with that. They still use the words abo and bung at will and have absolutely no concern as to how those they are referring to think of it. Now for those that don't know, go ask an aboriginal what he/she thinks of abo or bung. They are akin to nigger to someone with african decent.

Originally Posted by Kim67

I haven't heard the word bung used for decades, again I wonder what type of Australians you guys are hanging around. I think the slang terms most australians would use for aborigines would be blackfellas (which the blackfellas don't mind) or tribal names such as Nunga and Yamatji.