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Which one ..... they all had a crack of the hair straightners.

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One decides to kill due to poisonous ideology being put into their head, the other decides to kill simply to make money. How is the latter a more honourable cause? I don't have any sympathy for either of these...

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That's exactly what I did once. One of the fastening elements was popped open so I went straight to customs. They simply put it through the x-ray and said it looked ok to them. Better safe than sorry.

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Terrorists kill for a cause they believe in (or think they believe in)
A murderer will target victims, or is just a nutter
Drug smugglers/pushers kill indiscriminately, no telling who their victims are going to be, and they don't care who their victims are going to be. Far more heinous and scary IMO

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I agree regarding the Nepalese thing, in fact I said the same thing afew days ago, but are BE going to be appalled at regarding it, God? Mother nature? Now if we could just blame the Indonesians

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Who says its honourable? You? Not me.

The victims of terror have no choice. The victims of drugs do. Are you wiping away all responsibility of drug takers? I can get a bag of hammer right now if I want to. Do I? No. I have choices. Victims of terror don't have choices.

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Agree terrible. If human intervention could stop mother nature before she acted then we would. As humans we feel a little more disappointed when one of our fellow humans executes another.

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Tim Allen spent some time in prison for drug trafficking. He was looking at a possible life sentence but grassed up the dealers in exchange for a lesser sentence. If he had been executed children and adults a like may never have experienced the joy of Toy Story and Buzz Lightyear.

Just saying.

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You ever seen last man standing??? **** should've been strangled at birth for that alone.

Let's hope he's still on their hit list.

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:) :)

Didn't mind Home Improvement back in its day.

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I disagree on the "victims" of drugs . To me they are not the drop kick losers that take them but their victims i.e family members that have to live with an addict. The people that are robbed by the addicts. People like me that had their work vehicle broken into on a regular interval simply because addict needed a few power tools to sell for a fix of smack. People that were forced each evening to empty their vehicles & bolt their homes up like Fort Knox in an attempt to stop addicts from taking their property.
They are the real victims of drug smugglers.

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Absolutely, but its highly unlikely a smuggler is thinking about your work vehicle when he's got 2 kg's strapped to his stomach. Nor is he thinking about an overdose a recipient may have. He's thinking about the money he's going to make. That's it.

A terrorist is not thinking about money. A terrorist is thinking about how many people they can kill.

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One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Fundamentally, a terrorist has a deep belief in something (whether it be the right belief or not).

A drug smuggler is only interested in financial gain and lets not forget the funds from drug smuggling is often used to finance terrorism and other illegal activities.

I do not believe in the death penalty and agree with Moneypenny's earlier statement, BUT, this pair were well aware of the consequences.

What annoys me is the time, money and publicity the govt and media have spent over the last 10 years, on people who were guilty of a crime committed in another country. I don't know the figures on how much was spent on the various legal processes, but how many homeless people, or genuine refugees, or chronically ill people could have been helped with the money spent on them?

Surely the govt/media would be better directing their foreign affairs to those countries whose human rights policies are non-existent, such as various countries in the middle east where women are stoned to death because they have been raped.

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Think of the anger from the lefties if the government did nothing. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

In terms of cost, well maybe the Feds did the taxpayer a favour, giving the Indonesians the pleasure of the arrest, trial, prison, and all the other bits and pieces that go along with the saga.

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You say that it doesn't work. Statistics agree with you - but it all depends on what is defined in the statistics. An example is burglary numbers: many police districts say they are declining, but in many cases police don't even respond to calls and if they do just tell the victims to contact their insurers. Numbers can go down even when the crimes are increasing.

I was a little news freak back in the fifties; murders were big news then. Today every edition of the papers seems to be filled with them. One difference is that the UK had the death penalty back then.