Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 11635437)

There are a lot of people out there who people consider losers. People say a leopard can never change its spots, which in some cases is very true, in other cases completely false. I saw Mike Tyson sitting at the boxing today. Now that guy had a pretty scummy past. Now before the feminists pipe up here, this guy has actually turned his life around. His roadshow is something to see. A great example how some prison time can turn pure evil into something remorseful who doesn't want to return to the bad old days. Sometimes a good kick in the teeth does wonders.

Originally Posted by xizzles (Post 11631244)

I may not agree with the death penalty, but I cannot agree with drug traffickers destroying the lives of so many other people and that of their families either.

Every time I fly into Singapore on Singapore Airlines, they make this announcement about how severe the penalties are for drug traffickers. Apparently, it's the same for Malaysia Airlines flying into Kuala Lumpur. I'm not sure about any announcements flying into Indonesia, but I'd imagine these guys knew what the law of the land was. They chose to risk it, they got caught and now they have to pay the ultimate price.

Originally Posted by cresta57 (Post 11635228)

Yes and then your grand kids, that idolize their dad, would never speak to you again. It's a double edged sword, the times we've wanted to dob him in & be rid of him are numerous. Our daughter stood up to him a couple of years ago after he tried to strangle her in a drunken rage. She threw a plate at him, cut him under his eye. He phoned the cops & she now has a DVO against her.
She won't leave him, the kids love him. I have considered retribution as you said but it's made abundantly clear that I'd never see her or the kids again. My son & several of his navy mates paid a social call one weekend and had a quiet word with him, no violence whatsoever. Just a show of strength. She's cut him out of her life completely & doesn't acknowledge having a sibling any longer.
We feed them & clothe them, we have code words with the eldest one to be sure she has food to eat & the violence hasn't begun again. We used to visit every week, to stop that they [he] moved to them to NSW 6 hours drive away. The kids go to a remote school, only 14 kids in the entire school, so we know that they are looked after at school. Kids are happy there & thriving for the first time in years. Sometimes you just don't rock the boat.
A few years ago we simply thought she'd grow out of him or become fed up of the lifestyle. It hasn't happened as yet.

Originally Posted by Pollyana (Post 11635253)

And at least when he is inside he's not pushing drugs outside schools.

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 11635437)

There are a lot of people out there who people consider losers. People say a leopard can never change its spots, which in some cases is very true, in other cases completely false. I saw Mike Tyson sitting at the boxing today. Now that guy had a pretty scummy past. Now before the feminists pipe up here, this guy has actually turned his life around. His roadshow is something to see. A great example how some prison time can turn pure evil into something remorseful who doesn't want to return to the bad old days. Sometimes a good kick in the teeth does wonders.

Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 11635246)

That is such a naive and dumb comment. That lowlife is his grandchildren's father. He's the partner of his daughter whether she's happy with him or not. So Cresta 'gets rid of' said lowlife; he then does time ie no wages coming in so his wife struggles to pay the bills, possibly losing the house they built together, lose the business they built together. He doesn't get to see or sleep with his wife for years, he doesn't see his daughter or his grandchildren for years, possibly ever because they can't forgive him for taking daddy away from them blah blah blah. I understand the emotion behind your comment but seriously, it's dumb.

My eldest is with a ****wit. He's not a drug addict, he's not an alcoholic, he doesn't physically abuse her but he's a waste of space, an obnoxious shit who mentally abuses her. We can't say or do anything for fear of losing her. We have to be here for her, accept (whilst not understanding) that she apparently loves him and basically suck it up and hope she comes to her senses eventually. Our situation is relatively mild, I can't even begin to imagine how Cresta and Cresta's Conscience deal with their situation.

Originally Posted by Pollyana (Post 11635253)

Its not a question of risking their relationhip with her, its a question of how t carry on if Cresta did do somethng and ended up behind bars. Thats an income gone which provides a lot for the kids, thats contact lost between him and the kids, whole family in tattters, and the daughter left to do what she wants with the kids - including possibly picking up with yet another lowlife and then there's oly Cresta's Conscience to look out for them next time.
Taking the law into his own hands would help no-one.

I have a drug addict and pusher in my family too. We gave up trying to help him years ago when he made it clear he preferred to stay as a pusher and an addict, rather than become someone on the decent side of society. He's the only one to blame, every time he got clean he came out of jail my parents set him up with a home and furniture and money, sold the lot and went straight back onto the hard stuff.
Whenever I hear he's got nicked now I just shrug, his life, he chose it. I have no sympathy, ran out of that years ago. And at least when he is inside he's not pushing drugs outside schools.

Originally Posted by Boomhauer (Post 11636231)

British grandmother is writing goodbye letters to friends and family as her execution is imminent.

British grandmother prepares for execution in Indonesia

Originally Posted by stevenglish1 (Post 11635952)

When I say 'give over Pen, I'm saying something else inside my head' You always insult people you disagree with, show a bit more imagination.

Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 11636247)

So calling your comment naive and dumb is insulting? Get a grip, it was.

Originally Posted by stevenglish1 (Post 11636257)

Apologies you're correct, I mistook your comment for that of a miserable old hag.

Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 11636268)

:huh: You may want to PM me and let me know who and when I've insulted people enough for you to comment like that.

Originally Posted by stevenglish1 (Post 11636237)

Her biggest regret is not seeing her 2 y/o grandchild? Should be that she was stupid enoughto smuggle 1.6m in cocaine when her daughter was pregnant. Hope she's not after sympathy

Originally Posted by cresta57 (Post 11636294)

As I understood it she was blackmailed into it as they [the smugglers] had her son, dunno if they killed him when she was caught or if that was just a bullshit story to elicit sympathy.
As you said to me the other night: If that was your son they were holding threatening to kill would you have complied?