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themerlin Jul 2nd 2007 1:09 pm

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Interesting, but the mutations would be random so have no real net effect.
Where as in evolution the negative mutations would have a negative effect on the owner and the same with positive mutations, having a positive net effect because the creatures with a good mutation would have more offspring.


Originally Posted by Swerv-o (Post 5000988)
But if you think about it logically, by doing this we are in effect preserving and perpetuating bad or poor mutations through society, so the evolutionary process actually has a greater chance of taking place. Though, this may not be in a way that develops a helpful adaptation for survival.


Swerv-o Jul 2nd 2007 1:21 pm

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Originally Posted by themerlin (Post 5001098)
Interesting, but the mutations would be random so have no real net effect.
Where as in evolution the negative mutations would have a negative effect on the owner and the same with positive mutations, having a positive net effect because the creatures with a good mutation would have more offspring.

The negative mutations would die out, as they would not be better adapted to their environment. Consider a child born with Downs Syndrome 200 years ago - I wouldn't rate its survival chances very highly.

A positive mutation doesn't mean that the owner will have more children. It means that it gives the owner a better chance of surviving, so that this new positive gene has a better chance of reproducing into the next generation.

Remember positive genetic changes are about adaptation to environment AND survival for propagation. What may be a really positive adaptation in one part of the world may be of no use in a different part, so the environment plays a huge role in evolution too...

S

Hutch Jul 2nd 2007 8:13 pm

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An exhibit from a $27m (US) 'Creation' museum. :rofl:

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...nmuseum030.jpg

Hutch Jul 2nd 2007 8:17 pm

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Another exhibit - Adam and Eve take time out from their busy schedule naming beasts and bringing sin into the world ... to visit the Longleat Centre Parcs and play Farmer and the Cows ...

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...nmuseum133.jpg

iPom Jul 2nd 2007 8:30 pm

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Originally Posted by Hutch (Post 5001992)
Another exhibit - Adam and Eve take time out from their busy schedule naming beasts and bringing sin into the world ... to visit the Longleat Centre Parcs and play Farmer and the Cows ...

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...nmuseum133.jpg

My, look how long Eve's hair is. She's been really busy growing that.
So is this before or after the snake incident?

diva Jul 2nd 2007 8:59 pm

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Ok Hutch I'm very confused by this, and trust me that is a very easy thing to do.
Are they saying dinosaurs were created by God to be wiped out by a flood 4,300 years ago because he regretted creating them.
Then suddenly he decided to create Man in his own image.
Please tell me that this kind of religion doesn't have a huge following.

Besides if this is true poor dinosaurs, don't they have rights too not to be randomly chosen for extinction because an all loving God doesn't like the look of them.

Give dinosaurs rights is what I say :)

MartinLuther Jul 2nd 2007 10:03 pm

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Originally Posted by diva (Post 5002102)
Ok Hutch I'm very confused by this, and trust me that is a very easy thing to do.
Are they saying dinosaurs were created by God to be wiped out by a flood 4,300 years ago because he regretted creating them.
Then suddenly he decided to create Man in his own image.
Please tell me that this kind of religion doesn't have a huge following.

Besides if this is true poor dinosaurs, don't they have rights too not to be randomly chosen for extinction because an all loving God doesn't like the look of them.

Give dinosaurs rights is what I say :)

Remember man was about before the flood as well. I presume God was trying to avoid turning the Great Flood into the nightmare of Jurassic Ark. :lol:

birdynumnum Jul 2nd 2007 10:07 pm

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Originally Posted by MartinLuther (Post 5002285)
Remember man was about before the flood as well. I presume God was trying to avoid turning the Great Flood into the nightmare of Jurassic Ark. :lol:

Just noticed the above post was the 666 th...

Wol Jul 2nd 2007 10:07 pm

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>> Please tell me that this kind of religion doesn't have a huge following.<<

I am afraid it does - viz the court cases over "Intelligent design" and Creationism as school subjects in various US states.

lesleys Jul 2nd 2007 10:08 pm

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There is lots of evidence of humans evolving now - try this article

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...evolution.html

Wol Jul 2nd 2007 10:08 pm

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Originally Posted by birdynumnum (Post 5002318)
Just noticed the above post was the 666 th...

The design of the beast?

arkon Jul 2nd 2007 11:05 pm

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Originally Posted by Hutch (Post 5001983)
An exhibit from a $27m (US) 'Creation' museum. :rofl:

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...nmuseum030.jpg

The first picture shows a huge date difference. 125 million years in one and 4600 in the other. Do the god squad not believe the results of carbon dating then? If they don't where is their evidence that that dinosaur lives 4600 years ago? there not mentioned in the bible are they?

cresta57 Jul 3rd 2007 12:06 am

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Originally Posted by arkon (Post 5002522)
The first picture shows a huge date difference. 125 million years in one and 4600 in the other. Do the god squad not believe the results of carbon dating then? If they don't where is their evidence that that dinosaur lives 4600 years ago? there not mentioned in the bible are they?

First dip into this excellent thread for me:eek:
I work with a large contingent of Jehovah's Witnesses [if that is the correct plural] I've asked about Carbon Dating in the past, the standard answer is that it has been "consistently proved to be wildly inaccurate as a method of dating anything" I always ask if it would be more acceptable if it proved their theories instead of decimating them:unsure:..............................

I find religion to be a comfort for many people worldwide, for me I believe it's a kind of code of ethics combined with practicle set of rules. e.g Jews don't eat pork = hot country meat spoils very quickly, sensible idea to ban it's consumption. Ditto the sacred cow in the Hindu world. There are more cynical ones such as the Catholic church's stance on contraception = Hey Pontiff we're in danger of being out bred by other religions! O.K lets ensure we all have large families to keep the numbers up.

arkon Jul 3rd 2007 12:59 am

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Originally Posted by cresta57 (Post 5002731)
First dip into this excellent thread for me:eek:
I work with a large contingent of Jehovah's Witnesses [if that is the correct plural] I've asked about Carbon Dating in the past, the standard answer is that it has been "consistently proved to be wildly inaccurate as a method of dating anything" I always ask if it would be more acceptable if it proved their theories instead of decimating them:unsure:..............................

I find religion to be a comfort for many people worldwide, for me I believe it's a kind of code of ethics combined with practicle set of rules. e.g Jews don't eat pork = hot country meat spoils very quickly, sensible idea to ban it's consumption. Ditto the sacred cow in the Hindu world. There are more cynical ones such as the Catholic church's stance on contraception = Hey Pontiff we're in danger of being out bred by other religions! O.K lets ensure we all have large families to keep the numbers up.

Cresta, even if carbon dating were inacurate it can't be THAT inaccurate I mean that's a 125 million year margin. Anyhow I thought there was a second more reliable method now of dating and using the two combined methods still gives dates in the millions of years.

I too think religion is all about control, look at what's happening in the world today, as religion shrinks as a control method due to science and man's awakening from the dark ages, we are quickly replacing it with new forms of control, dare I say 'the war on terrorism', CCtv cameras, new draconian laws all thinly desguised as helping us but in reality just another form of control.

arkon Jul 3rd 2007 1:08 am

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Originally Posted by Poppett44 (Post 4949510)
A Jehovahs witness once told me that dinosaurs were put on the earth by God to poo all over it and make it fertile for when he invented humans, when they had done the job he wiped them out :huh:

Sorry must have missed this cracker. Shame that jehovah's not still about, because if the dinasaurs were put there to shite everywhere and fertilise the place so the roses and plants could all grow, what did old dino eat then? Which came first the dino or the roses?


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