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Re: The first mistake in the bible!
Originally Posted by birdynumnum
(Post 4973739)
Fair point. I was talking hypothetically, that someone can live a very bad life without any remorse whatsoever, see the light and be saved for eternity whereas someones whose lived a life full of goodness doesn’t have entry to heaven because they’re a non believer. Surely if God did exists, if heaven exists, you’d be judged by your actions and intent, irrelevant to your belief of his existance – if I was god that’s what I’d do
Christianity believes something fundamentally different. God's ways are not our ways. Not one of us can ever merit salvation by our works, but instead by faith in God and what Jesus has done for us. That's the word that can sum it up - "DONE". Anybody can be forgiven and get to heaven but in your hypothetical case of someone who has no remorse, that person is unlikely to want to go there in the first place. And God doesn't force people into heaven if they don't want to be there. And as for those who for one reason or another do not have faith. The Bible isn't definitive, but a good start is to take into account the fact that Jesus didn't rush to condemn the lack of belief [in his resurrection] of his apostle Thomas. |
Re: The first mistake in the bible!
Originally Posted by JAJ
(Post 4973809)
And every man-made religion says just that. Pretty much every faith other than Christianity can be summed up by one word - "DO". In other words, worship a particular way, give a particular amount of money, go to a particular place, and so on ... fill in a check-list of actions that puts you right with the particular god in question.
Christianity believes something fundamentally different. God's ways are not our ways. Not one of us can ever merit salvation by our works, but instead by faith in God and what Jesus has done for us. That's the word that can sum it up - "DONE". Anybody can be forgiven and get to heaven but in your hypothetical case of someone who has no remorse, that person is unlikely to want to go there in the first place. And God doesn't force people into heaven if they don't want to be there. And as for those who for one reason or another do not have faith. The Bible isn't definitive, but a good start is to take into account the fact that Jesus didn't rush to condemn the lack of belief [in his resurrection] of his apostle Thomas. Not meaning to sound rude, but you reply reads like your god's PA or something and you have a handle on the correct answers, when there is no way you can possibly be speaking from any position of truth. For fact you can't possibly know that God exists, You have no hard proof, because surely if you did you would provide it here. As I say, I can be converted, so convert me. |
Re: The first mistake in the bible!
Originally Posted by wren
(Post 4969341)
If the same neutral,objective,scientific approach is used on biblical text as issued on all other ancient documents, then the texts prove remarkably reliable. What do you say of the hundreds of scholary books that carefully document the veracity and reliability of the bible? How did 35-40 men, spanning 1500 years and living on three seperate continents, ever manage to author one unified message?
Arkon, Hutch and co. Please comment.... |
Re: The first mistake in the bible!
Originally Posted by JAJ
(Post 4973809)
And every man-made religion says just that. Pretty much every faith other than Christianity can be summed up by one word - "DO". In other words, worship a particular way, give a particular amount of money, go to a particular place, and so on ... fill in a check-list of actions that puts you right with the particular god in question.
Christianity believes something fundamentally different. God's ways are not our ways. Not one of us can ever merit salvation by our works, but instead by faith in God and what Jesus has done for us. That's the word that can sum it up - "DONE". Anybody can be forgiven and get to heaven but in your hypothetical case of someone who has no remorse, that person is unlikely to want to go there in the first place. And God doesn't force people into heaven if they don't want to be there. And as for those who for one reason or another do not have faith. The Bible isn't definitive, but a good start is to take into account the fact that Jesus didn't rush to condemn the lack of belief [in his resurrection] of his apostle Thomas. |
Re: The first mistake in the bible!
Originally Posted by wren
(Post 4974136)
Arkon, Hutch and co. Please comment....
If I were to say to John, I've spoken to god an he says...'insert some wisdom here'... John subsequently writes up my conversation with god in a book called the bible. after 2000 years of picking and dissecting the story, theologians prove catagorically that yes I did indeed say what god told me to John and he did in turn write it all down perfectly. This still does not prove that god did actually speak to me! Just that I thought he had, was I mad, delusional, Schitzo or what? I hope that explained my problem with all your proof, if it proves anything, it proves the story tellers recanted a story correctly, not that the substance of the stories are true, especially when so much of the bible seems to be made up of 'God says.....' Sorry I just need to add, even courts nowadays do not count hearsay as proof or evidence. |
Re: The first mistake in the bible!
Originally Posted by JAJ
(Post 4973809)
And every man-made religion says just that. Pretty much every faith other than Christianity can be summed up by one word - "DO". In other words, worship a particular way, give a particular amount of money, go to a particular place, and so on ... fill in a check-list of actions that puts you right with the particular god in question.
Christianity believes something fundamentally different. God's ways are not our ways. Not one of us can ever merit salvation by our works, but instead by faith in God and what Jesus has done for us. That's the word that can sum it up - "DONE". Anybody can be forgiven and get to heaven but in your hypothetical case of someone who has no remorse, that person is unlikely to want to go there in the first place. And God doesn't force people into heaven if they don't want to be there. And as for those who for one reason or another do not have faith. The Bible isn't definitive, but a good start is to take into account the fact that Jesus didn't rush to condemn the lack of belief [in his resurrection] of his apostle Thomas. |
Re: The first mistake in the bible!
Isnt the first mistake opening it. :confused:
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Re: The first mistake in the bible!
Originally Posted by Geordie George
(Post 4974321)
Excuse my ignorance on this, but where do the people who don't go to heaven go? Why is the bible not definitive on that point?
Oh hang on no, theres purgatory as well isnt there... temporary imbetween place. |
Re: The first mistake in the bible!
Originally Posted by brido
(Post 4974331)
Isnt the first mistake opening it. :confused:
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Re: The first mistake in the bible!
Originally Posted by Geordie George
(Post 4974321)
Excuse my ignorance on this, but where do the people who don't go to heaven go?
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Re: The first mistake in the bible!
Originally Posted by Hutch
(Post 4974398)
Out-of-town carpet warehouses primarily.
Gives whole new meaning to Sunday trading. |
Re: The first mistake in the bible!
Originally Posted by Geordie George
(Post 4974402)
:rofl: :rofl:
Gives whole new meaning to Sunday trading. |
Re: The first mistake in the bible!
Originally Posted by moneypen20
(Post 4974407)
Which begs the question, where do non believers in Perth go:confused:
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Re: The first mistake in the bible!
Originally Posted by moneypen20
(Post 4974407)
Which begs the question, where do non believers in Perth go:confused:
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Re: The first mistake in the bible!
Originally Posted by Swerv-o
(Post 4974424)
Maybe they're dead already, and living in Perth is just the start of Purgatory...
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Originally Posted by Geordie George
(Post 4974426)
They stay at home - they're already in Purgatory. Poor sods.
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