All dogs irrespective of breed should be kept on a leash. Those owners that don't annoy the hell out of me too. I hate it when a dog tries to challenge mine.

American Bulldogs aren't very common in Melb. Well I haven't seen or heard much about them in Melb any anyway.

Irresponsible dog owners. If they can't look after it they shouldn't have it. That dog will either get run over or end up being put down after attacking someone.

Most are.

Ha ha! The noises Staffies make. Grunting like pigs etc. Never heard a dog like them. It is a trait definitely unique to Staffies and if they wagged their tail a bit faster you'd swear they would take off!

Without a shadow of a doubt.

Well it's like humans. Humans can be born with issues as well.

Very true!

If you plan on showing a dog it can't be de-sexed anyway. De-sexing does change a male dogs temperament.

A male dogs physique and temperament is controlled by testerone produced by the testicles. Testerone in a male dog increases muscle mass and reduces fat levels. It also controls aggression. If a male dog has his nuts removed, there is no testerone production so the dog becomes androgynous. It loses some aggression (temperament) and loses muscle mass and has higher bodyfat levels. Lack of the aggression in a Staff is a bad thing for a male dog because they lose that spark that makes them a male dog (women could never understand this!). For a Staffy, less muscle mass and increase bodyfat is a bad thing. Essentially they take on traits of a female dog.

That's exactly the point. Unless you have something to compare with you wouldn't know the difference. When you put a male Staffy intact together with a desexed male, the difference is clearly noticeable.

How high are the fences in Perth? 1 foot? Staffies are not the best jumpers/climbers in the world. Too small, too much muscle and too heavy for their size. They are definitely not the most lithe and athletic dog in the world.

As far as health problems are concerned well i've never had any problems with my male dogs not being desexed. And of all the associated health problems they tend to be testicle/prostate related anyway. By that logic we would eliminate a lot of leg and paw problems if we chopped off their legs. Personally I believe it is more to do with propaganda encouraging owners to desex their pets.

I've never had a problem with any of my intact male dogs being so desperate to shag bitches that they would jump fences, escape and roam the streets etc.

Have just got a Shar Pei pup and she grunts too (more like a guinea pig at present though). Along with the grunting when awake she also snores when asleep

I think staffies are lovely dogs in the right hands with mature owners. Too many people in the UK use them as status symbols, this has lead to them having a bad reputatin I wonder sometimes if they come free with a council house. I hate seeing hoodies walking around, staffie in toe. This has lead to them having a bad reputation. As long as a dog has some attention, love, and walkies every day they can tolerate being alone for a time.

I have a Lhasa Apso and she is the most stubbornest, sulkiest, dog I have ever known, and despite her cute, fluffy appearance I have to keep her on a leash around other dogs as she can be temperamental. A result I believe of an irresponsible owner with dog off leash letting it go for her and bite her nose when she was a puppy, she's never trusted a dog since.

This is how soft our 9 year old Staffy is, brought him here with us from UK.

Do reckon two would be hard work though!

when my eldest son was 18 months an we decided to get a dog, we got in touch with the kennel club in uk for best dogs with small kids an staffies came 1st on the list boxers 2nd, my ex hubbie didnt want staffs so we went with boxers and have been having them for 17 years now ... our own litters too, one thing tho jus because you'll have two - dont take for granted
"they;ll keep each other company cos they're siblings" we kept two sisters (check avatar pic) and thought that, phoebe the white is lovely an docile - sarah the red is a bitch, chewd everything from dvd's to sofa's - an took months to suss out which one was the chewer!
get a nice big cage big enough for them both, ours is massive an when we bring it out (only when we go out an have to leave them) they jump in it straight away, if we leave it out with the door open an we're in - they'll sleep in it so they love it - its there space, but as i said make sure its big enough for them both with plenty of space an jus use it when you go out, too easy to go off a dog that eats your carpet!
but same sexes will fine together you dont have to get diff sexes because youre going to keep 2.
good luck what ever you decide (an post some piccys of the new pups when you get them then i can start on oh i want another pup lol)

this attitude really ticks me off - i've not had rotties or these dangerous breeds that your talking off but i know people that have includin my family an they also have staffs - all these dogs have been fantastic - its how theyre raised - like someone said people who have them as some sort of status symbol are the irresponsible ones - any dog can be aggressive even staffs have been in the papers which is what put my ex off them an years ago they were portrayed as being an aggressive breed because of incidents!

my mums cocker spaniel went into one at the age of 8 cos a man went to stroke her outside a shop - yet she'd never gone for anyone before! a jack russel nearly took my cousins eye out when he was playin in the garden! retired greyhound turned for no reason!

any type of breed can be potentially dangerous - jus cos its a cute lil furry thing still has teeth in its head!

oh an ear cropping is barbaric do not condone that whatsoever its cruel an looks ridiculous and i'd like someone to explain to me what thats about please cos i really dont get it!

Certain breeds of dogs are agressive by nature... it is NOT 'how they are raised'. If you own a pitbull dog of any type then you're an idiot. If you think otherwise, read this and make note of the breeds of dogs involved.


http://www.dogexpert.com/FatalDogAtt...ttackhome.html

what can't you understand about rottweilers and pitbulls being more dangerous than cockerspaniels?! Of course they've both got teeth in their head, does that make them equally dangerous?? sheep have got teeth in their head too, are they just as bad?

You say in your post "this attitude really ticks me off - i've not had rotties or these dangerous breeds that your talking off but i know people that have includin my family an they also have staffs - all these dogs have been fantastic - its how theyre raised" You sound like one of the many people who let their dangerous dog off a leash and then after it attacks you'd say "but he's never done that before". Think about how stupid that line sounds when a dog owner says that to the parent of a child who has just been attacked.

I have a Lhasa Apso too and he's the most well behaved, loving, sociable dog I have ever come across - sorry your girl had a hard time as a pup but I'm sure their is a great dog in there, I hope you find her behind all the attitude!

Getting back to the original post I think the poster needs to do some more research. Generally you will find the experts suggest getting 2 young dogs at the same time can cause real problems if your a novice dog owner (and I think by that they mean not a breeder with years of experience). Better to get one, devote your time and energy to training that dog then once he/she is a well behaved good mentor introduce a new second dog. 2 dogs would also be a lot of puppy poop!

No. 1 - Pitbull
No. 2 - Rottweiler

this is why the pitbulls/bad breeds etc have a bad name, as someone said dogs have for many years been a fashion accessory; don't put all owners of bulldogs in the same category - there are many responsible bulldog owners out there.

http://www.canadasguidetodogs.com/bsl/wwdt_6.htm

oh an for your info i have kept and bred boxers for nearly 18 years now, i am a resposible dog owner/breeder - i love the breed, and i breed with an intent to help eradicate the heart defect that boxers can carry through years of irresponsible inbreeding - the reason i went with boxers in the first place was they were recommended on querie with the uk kennel club as the second best dog to have with kids - the first was the staffie bull terrier - classed as a bull dog ... as are my boxers - we never went with staffies cos yes at the time there was a stigma!

quote aspirilla; what can't you understand about rottweilers and pitbulls being more dangerous than cockerspaniels?!

when did i say that?

Of course they've both got teeth in their head, does that make them equally dangerous??

durrrr yeah funny enough! - what yu'd leave your toddler an your lil jack russell in a room on their own together cos the lil jack russell wont hurt the toddler, difference is size and poundage of weight behind the jaw - what i was saying is that no dog can be truly trusted with your child whatever its breed an if you think differently than yu shouldnt have dogs whatever breed it is!

again to quote aspirilla; You sound like one of the many people who let their dangerous dog off a leash and then after it attacks you'd say "but he's never done that before". Think about how stupid that line sounds when a dog owner says that to the parent of a child who has just been attacked.

how dare you make assumptions about me - you dont know me, my dogs are raised properly, and as i said above i am a responsible dog owner, they are let off in designated areas, i am very aware all the time when im out with my dogs,i know my dogs are bouncy and clumsy thats the breed, a breed that i educated myself about before rushin out to buy as i had small children, i know that some people are wary of my dogs if they dont know them cos they're big, if you meet a dog outside that you dont know, any dog, yu should be wary thats common sense,

have a word with yourselves - its narrow minded people like you who give dogs like the bulldogs a slating and not giving the people who own them responsibly a chance, i gave examples of dogs i have known to be good an bad an the ones that were bad were not staffies/bulldog breeds!

No idea if this was aimed at me or Asprilla....

Can you give me one sensible argument for keeping a pitbull?

As Ive discovered from the info Ive gathered from this thread and associated links, theres almost no way to tell by looking, if a dog has any Pitbull in it at all. The thing is that I actually know for a fact that my pup is a Pitbull/Staffy cross. What do you suggest, I should hand her over to the authorities without delay because a couple of jumped up know-it-alls on a British Expats forum say so? Dont make me laugh.

well funny enough i would have thought the part where i quoted you, would have given you an indication that, that part was for you and the part where i quoted aspirilla was for them!

Originally Posted by scottandsel
this is why the pitbulls/bad breeds etc have a bad name, as someone said dogs have for many years been a fashion accessory; don't put all owners of bulldogs in the same category - there are many responsible bulldog owners out there.

http://www.canadasguidetodogs.com/bsl/wwdt_6.htm


a pitbull just like any other dog brought up by someone who genuinly knew what they were doing, with more than an ounce of knowledge about the breed who wouldn't be so flippant as to just go out an buy one jus cos its a status symbol, could have a dog jus as good as fido the labrador!
what im trying to get across is that all dogs can be dangerous in the wrong hands whatever it is! to quote a famous saying "a gun doesnt kill people - people do!"

an i put this;

oh an for your info i have kept and bred boxers for nearly 18 years now, i am a resposible dog owner/breeder - i love the breed, and i breed with an intent to help eradicate the heart defect that boxers can carry through years of irresponsible inbreeding - the reason i went with boxers in the first place was they were recommended on querie with the uk kennel club as the second best dog to have with kids - the first was the staffie bull terrier - classed as a bull dog ... as are my boxers - we never went with staffies cos yes at the time there was a stigma

as i thought you were saying i was an idiot for having pitbull type dogs an i went off on a tangent for which i apologise as i dont have pitbull type dogs i have boxers

no you dam well shouldnt!!!!