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Old Apr 21st 2010 | 9:43 am
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I went to look at some puppies yesterday and am thinking of getting a male and a female from the same litter. They are Staffy's and I wanted to get two so that they would be company for eachother plus the fact that I wouldn't know which to pick if I was to take one.
So I am wondering if two from the same litter will be okay (we will get both desexed I assume) and also is it madness to take on two puppies? I have 4 weeks holidays and would have time to spend with them. After that they would have someone at home for at least 5 days a week.
Any advice would be so welcome as I know there are a lot of dog lovers out there.
 
Old Apr 21st 2010 | 10:54 am
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If you're getting Staffies make sure they have a nice big head and are not too leggy. Should be stocky, solid looking dogs. OK to get two from the same litter but I would definitely get the female de-sexed if you were not planning on breeding (I wouldn't breed brother and sister, pedigree dogs are inbred enough). I would never de-sex a male as their character changes. Staffies are great dogs. Make sure they have papers.
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Two puppies is a lot but hey, if you've got one, what the heck. Just make sure you can afford the vet bills if anything goes wrong. Don't wing it. Also cost of kenneling if you want to go on hols without them.

Brother and sister will be fine. My only advice when you pick them is to go for puppies which have confidence. Don't get the 'shrinking violet' from the back of the pen cos you feel sorry for it. Get a happy confident dog which comes towards you when you go near and seems secure, otherwise you can end up with a barking, insecure hound.

If these are home bred dogs, make sure you see both mother and father. If the father isn't present, ask to see him and don't buy if you haven't seen him.
Papers won't come with puppy if it's not a pedigree but that is ok. Many home bred dogs do not have papers... but the home itself is an indication of how your dog will turn out when it's older, the care the parents receive etc. stable home=stable dog = stable puppies.

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Originally Posted by TiddlyPom
Papers won't come with puppy if it's not a pedigree but that is ok. Many home bred dogs do not have papers...
I woudn't buy a Staffy unless it's got papers. There are many so called Staffy pups out there being sold that are clearly not Staffies. Also if it doesn't have papers you could end up with something more resembling an Am Staff or Pitbull, which are outlawed in most places. You will also need papers to prove that it's not a Pitbull if you have any problems with councils. A lot of (unknowledgeable) people are scared of them and will look at a Staffy and say "there's a Pitbull" and could report you for possessing a prohibited dog.
 
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Hence the requirement of seeing the dog, not just the bitch.

The Am Staff *is* a Pit bull according to Australia. Interesting recent case.

I would think you'd have to be pushed to mistake a staffy for something it wasn't, but then if you don't know what you're not an experienced dog owner, it could happen I guess.
 
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Originally Posted by Brisbane bound
I went to look at some puppies yesterday and am thinking of getting a male and a female from the same litter. They are Staffy's and I wanted to get two so that they would be company for eachother plus the fact that I wouldn't know which to pick if I was to take one.
So I am wondering if two from the same litter will be okay (we will get both desexed I assume) and also is it madness to take on two puppies? I have 4 weeks holidays and would have time to spend with them. After that they would have someone at home for at least 5 days a week.
Any advice would be so welcome as I know there are a lot of dog lovers out there.
We bought a puppy Christmas 2009 and he is now nearly 6 months old, we had never had a dog before and we are totally unprepared for the hard work involved it really is like having a baby, having said that having two might be easier as they won't be alone of a night and as you said they will have company for each other during the day.

We spent 4 weeks getting up at 4am every morning as the puppy saw the sun was up and so was he, and living in a queenslander you can't just leave them to bark without driving the neighbours insane! There were times when I could have taken him back with no regrets.

Having two is a great idea and if you can afford it go for it. Staffys are meant to be one of the best family dogs around.
 
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Originally Posted by TiddlyPom
Hence the requirement of seeing the dog, not just the bitch.

The Am Staff *is* a Pit bull according to Australia. Interesting recent case.

I would think you'd have to be pushed to mistake a staffy for something it wasn't, but then if you don't know what you're not an experienced dog owner, it could happen I guess.
Technically, Staffies are Pitbulls as well. Very similar lineage and not a great deal of difference between the three. Pitbulls have got a bad rep because dickhead owners were attracted to them. Council regs regarding these kinds of dogs is riduculous and they are trying to get Staffies and Bullies included in the prohibited dogs list. It would help if councils actually knew something about these breeds rather than reacting with their typical knee jerk fashion.
 
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Originally Posted by macy
Staffys are meant to be one of the best family dogs around.
Staffy's are great. Mine is 12 years old now and on his last legs. Lots of energy and very boisterous. I wouldn't have one with young children. Not because they might attack but because they are extremely strong (don't know their own strength) and when they run into you while playing they are like tanks. Could hurt a small child unintentionally.
 
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Originally Posted by Deancm
Technically, Staffies are Pitbulls as well. Very similar lineage and not a great deal of difference between the three. Pitbulls have got a bad rep because dickhead owners were attracted to them. Council regs regarding these kinds of dogs is riduculous and they are trying to get Staffies and Bullies included in the prohibited dogs list. It would help if councils actually knew something about these breeds rather than reacting with their typical knee jerk fashion.
Well they kind of are. Their bloodlines have been separated for a very long time now...
There are a lot of bad owners out there for sure.
 
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I woudn't buy a Staffy unless it's got papers. There are many so called Staffy pups out there being sold that are clearly not Staffies. Also if it doesn't have papers you could end up with something more resembling an Am Staff or Pitbull, which are outlawed in most places. You will also need papers to prove that it's not a Pitbull if you have any problems with councils. A lot of (unknowledgeable) people are scared of them and will look at a Staffy and say "there's a Pitbull" and could report you for possessing a prohibited dog.
Is this true? Not given much to research myself but have just acquired a Staffy/Pitbull pup.
 
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Originally Posted by Officer Dibble
Is this true? Not given much to research myself but have just acquired a Staffy/Pitbull pup.
Yes. I wouldn't buy one without papers. You won't get papers for a Staffy x Pitbull as it's a cross. Hide it from the council! Some jurisdictions require mandatory desexing for Pitbulls as they intend to eradicate the breed from Australia so I would be surprised if it was a Pitbull cross.

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Well they kind of are. Their bloodlines have been separated for a very long time now...
There are a lot of bad owners out there for sure.
Yes, they are distinct breeds now but all come from the Bull and Terrier line.
 
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Yes. I wouldn't buy one without papers. You won't get papers for a Staffy x Pitbull as it's a cross. Hide it from the council! Some jurisdictions require mandatory desexing for Pitbulls as they intend to eradicate the breed from Australia so I would be surprised if it was a Pitbull cross.
You know your stuff.

Crikey! Ive just looked into it on the net and it doesnt look good. She needed a home and I took her in ( friend of a friend and all that). No money changed hands and deffo no papers. She looks like a Staffy and she hasnt got a boxhead but shes from pig dog stock out in the sticks. Have to wait and see what happens when I register her, I suppose.
 
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You know your stuff.

Crikey! Ive just looked into it on the net and it doesnt look good. She needed a home and I took her in ( friend of a friend and all that). No money changed hands and deffo no papers. She looks like a Staffy and she hasnt got a boxhead but shes from pig dog stock out in the sticks. Have to wait and see what happens when I register her, I suppose.
Just say it's a Staffy cross. They would have to use DNA testing to prove whether there is any Pitbull in there, which they won't do. Make sure the dog gets socialised and well trained early. If it has Pitbull in it it will probably still have some aggressiveness towards other dogs.
 
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Originally Posted by Deancm
Just say it's a Staffy cross. They would have to use DNA testing to prove whether there is any Pitbull in there, which they won't do. Make sure the dog gets socialised and well trained early. If it has Pitbull in it it will probably still have some aggressiveness towards other dogs.
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