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Beoz Oct 26th 2016 8:18 am

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by mrken30 (Post 12087169)
I heard today the Government is going to start selling off the banks it owns to pay for Brexit.

Link for the Be-Leavers

British government restarts sale of Bradford & Bingley loans | Daily Mail Online

That's not what that article says. Massage to suit agenda is becoming popular on here.

It says it will resume the sale of the banks after the sale was stalled due to Brexit.

See OzT and Astera for advice on massaging.

astera Oct 26th 2016 9:14 am

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12087385)
That's not what that article says. Massage to suit agenda is becoming popular on here.

...

See OzT and Astera for advice on massaging.

Beoz on brexit: "Just imagine if it didn't happen [a negative scenario after brexit] and the UK became the next Switzerland." :thumbsup:

One only has to look at your posts to see someone who is on cloud 9 whilst being oblivious to reality itself.

The Pound is about to hit its lowest level, at least in my lifetime (or possibly in history) - that pretty sums up the prospects on how this is going to affect us. Switzerland, LOL! :rofl:

Garbatellamike Oct 26th 2016 9:27 am

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by astera (Post 12087436)
One only has to look at your posts to see someone who is on cloud 9 whilst being oblivious to reality itself.

You may want to check that definition you asked me for astera - the one that starts in hyp.......

paulry Oct 26th 2016 9:41 am

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by mrken30 (Post 12087169)
Link for the Be-Leavers

:lol::thumbup:

astera Oct 26th 2016 9:51 am

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by Garbatellamike (Post 12087446)
You may want to check that definition you asked me for astera - the one that starts in hyp.......

Nah, that was intended for those who believe that the EU in undemocratic (believe it or not we have such funny people here :) ) even though a tiny nation can block something it doesn't like, whereas in the UK England can vote on something and everyone else could then have no say whatsoever.

Garbatellamike Oct 26th 2016 9:57 am

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by astera (Post 12087470)
Nah, that was intended for those who believe that the EU in undemocratic (believe it or not we have such funny people here :) ) even though a tiny nation can block something it doesn't like, whereas in the UK England can vote on something and everyone else could then have no say whatsoever.

Hmm England doesn't have a vote - all the British people do - one each in fact. Suggesting 3.6% of the electorate should be able to impose their will on others might be considered by some to be mildly undemocratic.

paulry Oct 26th 2016 10:15 am

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by Garbatellamike (Post 12087472)
Hmm England doesn't have a vote - all the British people do - one each in fact. Suggesting 3.6% of the electorate should be able to impose their will on others might be considered by some to be mildly undemocratic.

I'd be very interested to know what happened to the postal votes that my wife and I registered for but didn't turn up :sneaky:

bcworld Oct 26th 2016 10:28 am

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by Garbatellamike (Post 12087472)
Hmm England doesn't have a vote - all the British people do - one each in fact. Suggesting 3.6% of the electorate should be able to impose their will on others might be considered by some to be mildly undemocratic.

It's kind of how it works in Australian referendums...maybe that's what Astera is thinking of. For a referendum to carry it needs a 'double majority'...i.e. a popular majority, plus a majority in the majority of states...i.e. at least 4 out of 6.

Garbatellamike Oct 26th 2016 10:29 am

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by paulry (Post 12087484)
I'd be very interested to know what happened to the postal votes that my wife and I registered for but didn't turn up :sneaky:

well if Scotland, NI, Gib voted in and Wales, Eng, you and your wife voted out - using astera's logic, then out has a 4-3 majority and he was winning 3-2 once Gib was added ;)

scrubbedexpat098 Oct 26th 2016 11:11 am

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 
Honest question, this referndum isn't legally binding, and was to gauge the will of the people. Does that make it a plebiscite not a referendum?
Or have I been in Aus too long?

Swerv-o Oct 26th 2016 11:13 am

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by stevenglish1 (Post 12087527)
Honest question, this referndum isn't legally binding, and was to gauge the will of the people. Does that make it a plebiscite not a referendum?
Or have I been in Aus too long?


Technically, yes, it does - there was no enabling clause in the referendum legislation.


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Garbatellamike Oct 26th 2016 11:20 am

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by bcworld (Post 12087498)
It's kind of how it works in Australian referendums...maybe that's what Astera is thinking of. For a referendum to carry it needs a 'double majority'...i.e. a popular majority, plus a majority in the majority of states...i.e. at least 4 out of 6.

That's interesting - thanks. You may be right and hopefully that is what astera is thinking but that's clearly not the case in the UK referendum and he comes across as trying to rewrite history. He is obviously wrong but that might explain why his logic appears warped.

I'll have a look at Aussie referendum processes as I am unsighted on them. I did a lot of study into UK, Swiss and Belgium models a few years back but didn't look down under.

Every days is a school day - thanks again for the info.

paulry Oct 26th 2016 11:58 am

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by Garbatellamike (Post 12087533)
That's interesting - thanks. You may be right and hopefully that is what astera is thinking but that's clearly not the case in the UK referendum and he comes across as trying to rewrite history. He is obviously wrong but that might explain why his logic appears warped.

I'll have a look at Aussie referendum processes as I am unsighted on them. I did a lot of study into UK, Swiss and Belgium models a few years back but didn't look down under.

Every days is a school day - thanks again for the info.

Quite a few referendums have "gotcha" clauses. Take the Hungarian one where 98 percent voted one way but the referendum was considered invalid because less than 50% voted

Hungary referendum: 98 per cent of voters say 'no' to EU migrant quotas

mrken30 Oct 26th 2016 12:11 pm

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by astera (Post 12087436)
Beoz on brexit: "Just imagine if it didn't happen [a negative scenario after brexit] and the UK became the next Switzerland." :thumbsup:

One only has to look at your posts to see someone who is on cloud 9 whilst being oblivious to reality itself.

The Pound is about to hit its lowest level, at least in my lifetime (or possibly in history) - that pretty sums up the prospects on how this is going to affect us. Switzerland, LOL! :rofl:

The pound fell to $1.05 in 85

paulry Oct 26th 2016 12:11 pm

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by paulry (Post 12087545)
Quite a few referendums have "gotcha" clauses. Take the Hungarian one where 98 percent voted one way but the referendum was considered invalid because less than 50% voted

Hungary referendum: 98 per cent of voters say 'no' to EU migrant quotas

The interesting thing about that one is those who want to sabotage the referendum simply need to not vote and their number gets counted along with those who couldn't be bothered to. Sneaky, huh :sneaky:


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